asked for numbers
 

My r/c field is near a full scale general aviation airport, my planes are all numbered and no one has asked to see my FAA card or AMA info. I've flown a few times since the law went into effect. Have any of you guys been approached and asked for documentation?

Bill

If I only had a field to fly from I would be happy to show my numbers:( Our club lost its field and now we are on the hunt. I can't imagine the men in black will be spending much time checking out club fields. They will be looking out for rouge droners in cities and parks and near airports.

None on this area, and I doubt there will be. The only references I've seen here or on RCG is from a member in CA who notes that the FAA has been visiting their club on an almost weekly basis for the past two months. It's a pretty odd thing for them to be doing that over and over to one club, clearly an anomaly. I doubt you'll see affirmative actions on behalf of the FAA, rather most of the involvement you will see is from local LE. Depending on what they see, the FAA might be involved. They have far bigger fish to fry, but if someone goes out of their way to do something stupid I'm willing to bet the FAA will be involved, and based on what happened, might be looking to make an example of someone. I wouldn't want to be the first.

Received an email from one of our clubs officers the other day, requesting my FAA number for the clubs " Data Bank ".

I sent back an email asking him if he wanted my FAA Airline Transport Certificate number, or the stupid FAA number that allows me to fly RC models.

I also reminded him that as far as the information that I have been supplied with, only an FAA Inspector has the authority to ask me for my FAA number. I also stated, that if I go to the club field to fly a model and somebody asks me to provide my FAA number or show them the number on my model, that they had very well better produce FAA credentials before hand.

P.S. Not to ruffle any feathers, I did provide him with my FAA number for the Data Bank. At my age why ruffle any feathers ? But then again, at my age, why not ruffle a lot of feathers ! :o :p

Yolo!

NAZIS also asked for papers.

seems like a reasonable comparison.

No.
Mike

I doubt that. That requires work. Something bureaucrats are hardly likely to do.

Not many people have a problem with this beginning again these days

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, are you talking about Trump ? LOL :rolleyes:

The club I belong to is 8.5 miles from a airport, and it doesn't even have a control tower. I fly out in the country. No worries for me.

One of the clubs that I belong to actually uses the dirt strip at an out in the country airport. Never had a problem and the town welcomes the club with open arms. :)

According to the UAS enforcement laws...federal, state, or local law enforcement can request to see your registration certificate...

That is fine with me, just show me your credentials first ! If you do not have any, just keep walking !

probably a better thread to put tjis in, but i am here, so...

While at the San Angelo, TX indoor fly in over the 4th-5th-6th of march, we got word from folks left behind in Odessa, TX, that, on saturday the 5th, the propbuster field had been visited by FAA folks and they did more than just check for registration. Cited 2 or more, for exceeding 400 ft agl and gave someone else a warning about not being registered yet. Now, this is all second hand information, even if from a most trusted source, so do yer own fact checking.

Would love to hear from these folks, how the FAA randomly selected this field, and how the determined that 400ft level was "broken", even more so since we are allowed as AMA members to do so.

I'd like to see the real details considering there is no law they can cite against for 400 feet, and or, how did they determine it.

I can't find a thing about this. Seems like this happening would make at least one of the forums. I realize that not everyone posts on theses but come on this would be a really big deal along with big news to all modelers (if it actually happened). I promise right now that if we ever get a visit I'll not only post video I'll post a copy of my citation. While I'm registered I'm not putting that stuff in my planes. No reason short of I just don't feel like it.

Checked a bit more and I can't even find a FAA "office" even close to Midland / Odessa. Seems like if the FEDs wanted to mess with someone wouldn't they pick somewhere there's actually a FAA Office? Here in El Paso the closest FAA guy is in Albuquerque.

Mike

There are no such UAS enforcement laws. In fact it may be unconstitutional for such law to say as much. You can refuse to show to local enforcement without a warrant, not sure about FAA.

Where is this? Their is a "Propbusters" club in San Antonio but not Odessa. There is a "Propbusters" in San Antonio but they have two fields, one right at a full scale airport. So the FAA inspectors were probably noticing model airplanes at the airport.

a zip code search of clubs for 79762reveals that,
those guys went and changed the name of the club sometime in the 18 or so years since i was a member there.
try "permian basin model airplane club".
no idea when or why the change was made.
we have always just called them the "odessa club".

Then explain to me your interpretation of the "Law Enforcement Reference Card" found on the FAA UAS website "Law Enforcement Resources" section. You might also want to read the FAQ's
on the same page.

They may ask the local police to ask you for this but you do not have to provide such. Only a warrant will allow them to. Not saying it is wise to resist, but there is no law that says they must ask nor any law that says you must comply. The FAA is not a law enforcement division, and their jurisdiction is only on certified pilots and registered aircraft. The local police do not have jurisdiction and of course may ask, but you do not have to provide. In short a "Law Enforcement Reference Card", is not law or regulation.

they got a facebook page,
pbmac
some of the post on there are explaining a lot.

how about a link? google search shows a club FB page that hasn't been updated since Sept 2015.

just type permian basin model airplane club pbmac on facebook.
that is how i got it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PBMAC/?fref=nf

Nothing official from the club. Just a copy of some message from a guy that was copied and pasted to their page.

Mike

+1

Unless someone posts a citation from the FAA it's nothing more than hearsay.

I dug into this and all I can find is hearsay other than the supposed club involved is 1.8 miles from an airport

Which club was that? Permian is about 10 miles from an airport.

Moderators, this guy is getting dangerous with his false information. can't you shut him up?

There is nothing false about it. Local police have no responsibility to enforce FAA regulations and nobody can find a law or regulation saying otherwise. You don't have to give your FAA registration to local police without a warrant. In fact you don't even have to show your license without a warrant, but if you are driving then they can ticket you for failure to prove license. But the local police likely have no law to ticket you for FAA registration.


So show me a regulation or law that says otherwise.

If that was directed at me, I don't moderate AMA forums, that little joy belongs solely to RC Ken, if you feel a post violates RCU rules/policy you're free to report it. If you don't like or disagree with the content, then you're free to ignore it.

I suggest that the derogatory post asking to ban me be removed. He cannot prove anything I have posted is false. He continues to claim everything I say is false. I do not recall that he could ever disprove my posts. Not saying I never post something that is incorrect as others have corrected me. Just that this person never has a clue and continues to use defamatory rhetoric against me.

Figured as much. More he said I heard from someone they said type of stuff. Not a shot at Mongo either for passing the info along, but this is something that we should all be concerned about, the "stories" that are going to be told. Earlier in another thread a member noted that the FAA had been repeatedly visiting that club but gave little details as to what could be the cause of that. He did show a business card of someone from the FAA, but there was little context as to how these multiple visits came to be. Just a personal opinion but there it's almost impossible that an agency of this size would just pick a random club to keep visiting over and over. Something is behind that. The same with this most recent alleged visit. At least the proximity to an airport might be a clue.

I'm not saying clubs will never get a visit, but it would certainly help to have those actually involved write about it here, or RCG, or even the drone sites so that we can all understand what went down, how it was handled, and most importantly what might have triggered the visit. I'm going to go out on a limb and note the visits will probably be as a result of someone doing something wrong, or a report of an issue.

Contrary to a few comments about standing your ground, cops don't have a right etc etc, that's all fine and well to say if you aren't flying at a club, or better yet own the property. For many of us, we're on town/city/state property. Thumbing your nose rarely works well in these situations. Answer the questions, show your cards if asked, and if you didn't do anything wrong, there won't be any issues. Yes Yes, a sheeple approach to some, but it's the reality of what we're dealing with. If you think you've been wronged somehow, file the appropriate complaints.

I can't trust anything he says. None of his posts contain references to the code he is referring to many of them contain the word probably.

It's not even clear what club! Someone posted on the PBMAC website, but they did not say it was at the PBMAC field.

I have made many references in the past, with links to them. You probably don't understand them. In this case there is no law to link because there is no law that says local LEO must enforce FAA regulations. Well have you found anything? How about the "Law Enforcement Reference Card" itself. It says "guidance".