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AMA Doesn't Allow This, Thankfully....
AMA may have it faults but this would never be allowed in the US. You only need to watch a few minutes beyond the prop bite to be cringe worthy. Sad to see the UK allows this idiotic mess.
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:rolleyes: Maybe it's actually a contest , and the one with the most/worst propbite wins ?
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Actually the prop bite is the most tame of the entire video. Numerous launches over the milling crowd with crashes into people. I cannot believe this is type of uncontrolled event is allowed.
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I see a few of things going on:
1) The crowd isn't paying attention to what's going on. It's just another day and another picnic for most 2) The people flying the planes are not paying attention to the crowd or, for that matter, other flyers and planes 3) Since the only control the flyers have of the planes is how much fuel is loaded and what direction they are launched, you would think there would be restrictions on when and how many planes could be in the air at a time. The fact that they seem to think it's okay to start and launch in any direction and over spectators that aren't even watching shows a serious lack of safety protocols |
That's horrific......
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I wonder what the Brits have to say after watching a Burning Man video? |
I guess we all have our own perspectives.....
What I saw: - a group of people all gathered in one place, on their own free will, for the purpose of having fun, whether they were there to spectate or participate. - EVERYBODY had a smile on their faces. Even the folks that were bleeding and the ones that were dodging aircraft. What I didn't see: - unhappy people - people concerned about their own safety - people being held there against their will Why is it that someone sitting on their ass, thousands of miles away, watching a video, can cast shade and judgement on an event where every single participant and spectator seems to be having an very enjoyable time? Let's try to be more like the people in the video! Regards, Astro |
I agree with Astrohog! I see a complete lack of the “victim mentality” that is so common on this side of the Atlantic. I would happily attend this event and have a great time doing so. |
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
(Post 12558433)
I wonder what the Brits have to say after watching a Burning Man video? "Thank God it don't involve model airplanes !!!" And Astro , while I usually agree with most of your posts , I won't dignify the threadcrapping you've posted here with a reply except to say that there were plenty of young children in that crowd , had one been hit in the head and seriously hurt that video would be all that would be needed to win a conviction on a reckless endangerment of a minor charge . Being contrary for being contrary's sake is one thing , but you blew it here dude , big time :( PS , 049 flyer desreves the same response as Astro , When your "fun" involves the reckless endangerment of minor children , I'd say it's YOU who needs to reassess your idea of "fun" . :( |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558485)
;) Speed , hopefully they'd be saying ;
"Thank God it don't involve model airplanes !!!" And Astro , while I usually agree with most of your posts , I won't dignify the threadcrapping you've posted here with a reply except to say that there were plenty of young children in that crowd , had one been hit in the head and seriously hurt that video would be all that would be needed to win a conviction on a reckless endangerment of a minor charge . Being contrary for contrary's sake is one thing , but you blew it here dude , big time :( I post my true feelings and beliefs, and am immediately told that, "you blew it" and am accused of being a threadcrapper! LOL Who is the close-mined, intolerant one? As for the children that were in the crowd. How did they get there? I would assume that they are not wayward street urchins without parental supervision. As long as there are no laws against anybody bearing children, I am of the belief that we should allow those individuals to raise and be responsible for their offspring, up to the point when they are proven to be incapable of doing so. It is not up to me to legislate what level of safety risk is acceptable for my neighbor to expose his children to. One could logically assume by all the adults (I do mean ALL) that were having fun, that they were grooming their children to grow up and be able to do so as well. I say let's not suck all of the fun out of life by casting our own individual beliefs on our neighbors. If you wish to stay indoors and watch videos of others having fun, only to cast dispersion on them for doing so, that is your right, but please refrain from condemning those who have different beliefs than you. Regards, Astro |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558485)
;)PS , 049 flyer desreves the same response as Astro , When your "fun" involves the reckless endangerment of minor children , I'd say it's YOU who needs to reassess your idea of "fun" . :(
…...reckless endangerment...…. I bet there are a lot of jealous, inner city kids that wish they had the opportunity to be exposed to "reckless endangerment" every Saturday afternoon! LOLOLOL Astro |
Originally Posted by astrohog
(Post 12558488)
I nominate init4fun (ironic name, isn't it?) to head up the new fun police patrol...….
…...reckless endangerment...…. I bet there are a lot of jealous, inner city kids that wish they had the opportunity to be exposed to "reckless endangerment" every Saturday afternoon! LOLOLOL Astro Sure , there is all kinds of fun that can be had with model airplanes , we all know that and it's why we're here . But when the fun extends to the behavior seen in that video that's when I say the fun has gone just a bit too far . One Man's opinion only FWIW .... |
Originally Posted by astrohog
(Post 12558477)
..Why is it that someone sitting on their ass, thousands of miles away, watching a video, can cast shade and judgement on an event where every single participant and spectator seems to be having an very enjoyable time?
You blew it dude , and your protestations are just as intolerant as those of our's you've called out ..... |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558491)
And just so we're ALL on the same page here , this quote strikes of some pretty heavy intolerance itself , I guess only YOUR opinion is to be treated with kid gloves , while those of a different view are seen as "sitting on their ass casting shade"
You blew it dude , and your protestations are just as intolerant as those of our's you've called out ..... And, please...... you can, “call em like you see em”, but anybody else is now intolerant? Dude, you need to back off, take a deep breath and read what you are posting. Astro |
Okay guys, that's enough already.
After rewatching that video, I realized that the planes are all 1/2A free flight. I knew they were FFs the first time I watched it, just missed the engine size. I still stand by my belief that there should be some attention being paid by the spectators and flyers alike, if nothing else to keep the kids from getting hurt since even a 1/2A prop can take out an eye. Other than that, there really isn't anything that can be done to increase safety, other than limiting the number of planes that are airborne at one time. FFs are going to go where they want since there's nothing the flyer can do to control that once the plane is out of his hands. It would be interesting to find out if there are any rules, other than to have a good time, involved with that FF event. |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558489)
Sorry my friend , I call em like I see em . In fact , for situations like this I use the "My Kid" metric ; Would I want MY kid in a situation where such foolishness was taking place ? Would you want YOUR kid to be the one hit in the head by one of those planes ?
YES, I would want my kid in a situation where such foolishness (your words, LOL) was taking place. As I stated before, there was not a single person in that video that showed one iota of concern for their safety, and EVERYONE seemed to be enjoying themselves (this is an absolutely accurate portrayal of the video I watched. If you can show where my portrayal is biased in ANY way, I beg you to challenge it). By projecting YOUR concerns on those people, simple by watching a video and based on your commentary here, you are essentially calling EVERYONE in that video stupid. Question #2: (your wording is biased and leads the reader to believe that a child actually was hit in the head by one of the airplanes, do you know if that happened?) my answer is, NO, of course I wouldn’t want my child to be hit in the head with one of those planes! But I wouldn’t hesitate to take my child to that or a similar event for fear of such.
Originally Posted by init4fun
Sure , there is all kinds of fun that can be had with model airplanes , we all know that and it's why we're here . But when the fun extends to the behavior seen in that video that's when I say the fun has gone just a bit too far .
One Man's opinion only FWIW .... Astro |
Looking at this from a perspective of danger to the kids, are they in any more danger then a Saturday in a soccer league? I have seen games with 5 and 6 year olds running around in 95 degree weather kicking the crap out of themselves. How does a 5 year old know when they are experiencing heat exhaustion? As the kids get older the sports just get more aggressive. How many of us played high school football? I did and during those couple years I suffered a broken finger, sprained ankle and a bruised kidney. Point is we can't bubble wrap our kids or rather shouldn't. Look at all these young adults these days that get offended at everything and can't figure out what gender they are. Overprotecting them and not allowing them to develop their own sense of judgement will limit them as adults. |
Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
(Post 12558509)
Okay guys, that's enough already.
After rewatching that video, I realized that the planes are all 1/2A free flight. I knew they were FFs the first time I watched it, just missed the engine size. I still stand by my belief that there should be some attention being paid by the spectators and flyers alike, if nothing else to keep the kids from getting hurt since even a 1/2A prop can take out an eye. Other than that, there really isn't anything that can be done to increase safety, other than limiting the number of planes that are airborne at one time. FFs are going to go where they want since there's nothing the flyer can do to control that once the plane is out of his hands. It would be interesting to find out if there are any rules, other than to have a good time, involved with that FF event. I bid happy safe fun flying to all my AMA brethren ..... :) |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558518)
I've now spoken my opinion and I'm done ....
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Originally Posted by astrohog
(Post 12558531)
Par for the course...
We've both expressed our differing views and it's time to move on . I don't do protracted internet debates of subjects that neither side is gonna see the other side of , , So , in the CB radio lingo of a life long ago , 10-7 ;) |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558541)
What more would you like me to say ?
Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but if facts counter our opinions, are we really entitled to them? This is how we keep from the back and forth you see..... Astro |
Originally Posted by init4fun
(Post 12558541)
10-7 ;)
Astro |
Just when I clicked on the video an ad popped up for shredding and mulching machines. Owww!
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I didn't intend this thread to become a pissing match over posting a video of obvious safety issues. Just because people appear to be having a good time indicates they are oblivious to the risks presented.
Modelers there should know better but obviously don't. AMA has it's warts but they do promote a culture of safety which permeates throughout the organized modeling community. Sure accidents occur but the event as depicted in the video has no place in modeling. Sad to think anybody but a kid would defend this or think it cool. |
Originally Posted by Dick T.
(Post 12559074)
I didn't intend this thread to become a pissing match over posting a video of obvious safety issues. Just because people appear to be having a good time indicates they are oblivious to the risks presented.
Originally Posted by Dick T
Modelers there should know better but obviously don't. AMA has it's warts but they do promote a culture of safety which permeates throughout the organized modeling community. Sure accidents occur but the event as depicted in the video has no place in modeling. Sad to think anybody but a kid would defend this or think it cool.
Astro |
everything else aside,
the AMA would be tickled pink and seriously proud to have that many spectators at any event for free flight or anything. |
Concerning the kids; Aren’t parents responsible for what they allow their kids to do, or in this case to attend. If a bunch of adults choose to do something “dangerous” they should be able to exercise that right. What activities they choose to bring their kids to is up to the parent and the parent should decide if the risk of the activity is acceptable to them and their children. Don’t we have enough rules? My gosh we just suffered a new one, now we can’t fly above 400 feet!! Where will it end! |
Originally Posted by astrohog
(Post 12559089)
So, it is your stance that every one of the hundreds of people in that video are oblivious to the risks? You’re kidding, right? Amazing how all of those modelers should know better, but don’t! We better send some humanitarian effort over there and educate them, lest someone get a cut on their pinkie! I can only imagine how thankful they all would be to be enlightened by your astute observations from afar. Astro |
Dick, unfortunately you are discovering that some ( most ) guys visit this forum just looking for arguments. I from time to time look at previous posts from some guys and for the most part some of these guys post nothing but negativity. I can only hope that there is joy in their life somewhere. |
Thank for the comment speedracer. Have been a RCU member since 2008 so have seen this behavior all along. However it has gotten pretty silly in the last year or so.
Some folks feel their lot in life is to be a *****ly pear to the sane and decent people of the world. A whole list of appropriate Synonyms come to mind: bellyacher, crab, crank, croaker, crosspatch, curmudgeon, fusser, griper, grouch, grouser, growler, murmurer, mutterer, sourpuss and whiner just to name a few. As the OP of this thread my sole purpose was to show an unsafe modeling event unlikely to ever occur in the US. One only needs to watch YouTube Channels depicting European events where spectators are in the middle of the action be it road racing to air shows. Then it is tear jerk time when dozens of people are mowed down or go up in flames. It seem to be part of their culture or "right" to be so cavalier. Thankfully in the USA we think differently about safety. *****ly pears will always be around, "There but for the Grace of God go I" |
I agree, your thread here is a funny one. On one side you are correct that this type of scenario would never happen here in the US. The question next would be why not? You and I are what I would consider " club guys " and as such we know that an AMA sanctioned club would never stand for an event run in this manner. However, it has been said by more then one person whom frequents the AMA forums that AMA does not enforce their rules and members do not follow the rules, yet here we have a prime example that in fact demonstrates that rules are being followed and enforced. |
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
(Post 12559292)
I agree, your thread here is a funny one. On one side you are correct that this type of scenario would never happen here in the US. The question next would be why not? You and I are what I would consider " club guys " and as such we know that an AMA sanctioned club would never stand for an event run in this manner. However, it has been said by more then one person whom frequents the AMA forums that AMA does not enforce their rules and members do not follow the rules, yet here we have a prime example that in fact demonstrates that rules are being followed and enforced. Not trying to be argumentative, just asking a very simple question in a situation that contradicts your last sentence completely |
Hydro, this is a case of where you see what you want to see. Sure if you go looking for those types of videos they are out there. What besides your negitive persona makes you think that those videos are the norm? Don't I recall you saying that you have not been a member of an AMA club for some time? Funny how you can determine that rules are not being followed when 1. You don't spend any time at any club sites, 2. Dick is absolutely correct that the scenario in the video does not happen here in the US. We have had this conversation before as well which would support my comment about some guys just like to argue. So let's go through this again. Every club had a board of officers including a safety officer. If an incident gets reported to the safety officer he discusses it with the offending member. If farther action is warranted the board will discuss the matter and take action such as a suspension or even expulsion from the club. Just because you can sit in front of a computer and find a few videos of bad players does not mean that there are not thousands of guys following the rules. I'm pretty sure I can find some R/C boat guys on video acting like idiots, am I to assume all boat guys are idiots? |
This one took me all of 5 minutes to find. |
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
(Post 12559275)
Dick, unfortunately you are discovering that some ( most ) guys visit this forum just looking for arguments. I from time to time look at previous posts from some guys and for the most part some of these guys post nothing but negativity. I can only hope that there is joy in their life somewhere. The whole premise of this particular thread is NEGATIVE!!! That was my entire point from the beginning! And now, those of you who do not like my particular opinion, are circling around, mocking me with memes and doing the self-righteous circle-jerk! Classic! (and classy, too!) Astro |
Astro, it's not your opinion people have a issue with. It's the sledge hammer that accompanies most of your posts. |
Originally Posted by Dick T.
(Post 12559287)
Thank for the comment speedracer. Have been a RCU member since 2008 so have seen this behavior all along. However it has gotten pretty silly in the last year or so.
Some folks feel their lot in life is to be a *****ly pear to the sane and decent people of the world. A whole list of appropriate Synonyms come to mind: bellyacher, crab, crank, croaker, crosspatch, curmudgeon, fusser, griper, grouch, grouser, growler, murmurer, mutterer, sourpuss and whiner just to name a few. As the OP of this thread my sole purpose was to show an unsafe modeling event unlikely to ever occur in the US. One only needs to watch YouTube Channels depicting European events where spectators are in the middle of the action be it road racing to air shows. Then it is tear jerk time when dozens of people are mowed down or go up in flames. It seem to be part of their culture or "right" to be so cavalier. Thankfully in the USA we think differently about safety. *****ly pears will always be around, "There but for the Grace of God go I" And do you really believe that just because you call something unsafe and have developed a threshold of your own personal safety, that you can cast judgement on others because they have different thresholds? Mighty self-important, aren't we? It only takes a little common sense to see that everyone in that video is there of their own free will, and that they do not feel like they are in an unsafe environment. How is it that YOU can clearly see that they are all idiots (your words)?? I think you should take a step back and re-evaluate your own self-importance. Astro Astro |
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
(Post 12559328)
Astro, it's not your opinion people have a issue with. It's the sledge hammer that accompanies most of your posts. PLEASE tell me how that relates to sledge hammers?????? I can't help it if people get their feelings hurt when they get called out on their crap, but don't project your BS onto me!!! Astro |
Speedracerntrixie,
SERIOUSLY, why is it okay for (and why do you condone) the OP to mock me with Memes and call me a list of names? Astro |
Not projecting a thing, just find it amusing that some guys feel so small that they think they need to be loud and rude to get their message heard. That kind of attitude IMO guarantees that I couldn't care less what you supposed facts are. |
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