RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Bill,
If you feel that a thread is off topic, or otherwise breaking the RCU rules, then you should report it. I am not the assigned Moderator for the ARF forum so I don't know which thread(s) you may be referring to.

I am not spanking anybody. Just a friendly reminder that the thread needs to get back on topic. :D

Ken

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Vegas Aces said:
Just what did checking the PPP box do that they couldnt do before with a real AMA chartered club?
Critical? How so if they are not PPP only.... how critical can a program you are not using be?
Unless they are PPP Only,
that being whats different that facilitated getting the site
long the lines of the Mythical Urban PPP Club.

I just dont see how the PPP is so critical to a (proposedby those here) glow <non-"PPP Only"> club

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

KE-

I don't find a user 'Vegas Aces' in RCU. Yet more vaporware?

If there is a such a user, ask him how critical pee pee program was to a group of people that already had a flying site when AMA DVP Mark Smith and his staff of Munchie marketeers invented...err....'inspired' them.

Abel

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Abel,

KE is quoting from the article associated with the picture this thread is about.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Here are some more interesting quotes, along with some questions they bring to mind, for those who have not actually read the blurb in MA:


“ “There has been RC flying at the schoold yard for several years,” said Greg. “ Once the Park Pilot program was introduced, it was just a natural thing to start a club.” ”

I have to wonder why it wasn't natural to start a club before.


"At the initial club meeting, the president asked those present to share why they became interested in joining the Aces. The members responded with a long list of reasons, including having people to fly with, getting instruction, obtaining permission to fly at the field, the idea that more activities can be done as a group than individually, and most importantly, fun."

Apparently, they were flying without permission before? (if it is even required in their locality).

All of a sudden they can get instruction? Why not before?

They like the idea of belonging to a group to do things, but for some reason never formed a club, AMA or otherwise, before?

Its nice they can have fun now, it must have been awful flying around them before. :)


“Greg said: “Individuals have been flying at the school yard ever since electrics became popular. A lot of people have come and gone because they crash, get frustrated, and quit. Now with Vegas Aces Park Pilot Club, there is an avenue for newcomers to get the help they need.”

So, why didn't they help newcomers before? If they thought they needed something the AMA offered to allow them to help others learn, why didn't they form an AMA club years ago.

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Wouldnt it be fun to see how many of those that have been flying there for years
have been $58Open for those years?

I agree P51,
it is so sad that they couldnt be instructive or have fun in all those years of flying there.

Make you wonder how helpful & instructive they will be to the non-ama'ers that
"A lot of people have come and gone because they crash, get frustrated, and quit"
now that we have ama exclusiveness dogma to apply?

Will these non-ama/ppp'ers still be flying there?
Or has another place folks can fly turned into a place only AMA can fly <Alameda Hawks Syndrome>,
the case of flying sites geting shut down,
and replaced with private(ama) flying sites?

Lots of new questions.
Still no answers,
other than knowing they have been there many years without PPP.

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Yes makes you wonder alright. All of a sudden it just seemed clear to them i guess, Hey we should start a club now that we have to pay for it. And then not until but when we become a club we can have fun and even help out our fellow flyers. What a remark. I still think they just made it up. Don't think there is such a club. Just got a pic and put these statements in to make it look like this is what you need to do to have a good time. Without AMA you can't have fun or help each other your not smart enough without us. ROFL that is some of the dumbest remarks ever printed in the MA. I guess they know those guys don't get the mag anyway so what the hey. IF it works great if not who is going to say anything. Now if your new and crash and get disgusted and decide to quit while ahead you won't cause it is PPP and AMA affiliated.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

If anyone cares to actually communicate with the club in question, they can be found in the club finder at AMA. E-mail address and mailing address, even phone number, all available. I dare, even double-dog dare one of you guys to contact them and get the real answers to all your fantasies(only about the club, of course).

'Course, next thing we'll hear is it's probably a direct line to Muncie, or some such.

Anyone gonna do it? Or are you all just talk, no action.

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Now that 804 has joined me in asking for that to happen,
will it?

Welcome to the team 804,
glad to have you join me in this. Side by side we can take this thing head on
together
since you joined me in asking for this
kinda like partners

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Nobody really cares, obviously, even the person who started the thread.

Either way it looks like the PPP is working as planned and those who opposed it in the first place, still can't get over it.

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sounds like caring to me
even issued a double dog care, and that is over 95% more care than a single dog care

STL,
if you dont care, fine.
Heck, that is great.
Because you made your statement and now can not come back because you dont care.

Those of us that do care,
are trying to hold a discussion at RCU
but keep getting interupted by you that doesnt care.

If silencing discussion at RCU is your actual goal,
the mirror could be a great place to start.

If you wish to continue the tangent of AMA members not caring about stuff,
feel free to open a thread on member apathy.

This thread is about the pic in MA, not member apathy you propose exists.... you made your pitch, nobody is buying it.... try again in its own thread rather than derailing this one and you might do better.



Besides, now that 804 has taken up my view on contacting the actual club,
we are bound to get some action on this matter.

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Wow, a DOUBLE DOG DARE! Maybe someone will stick their tongue to a flagpole...:)

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Really begs the question; why did they (the other AMA…not the members consenting AMA) design a program to be so useless, divisive, and a waste of money? Oh well as long as it is successful.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

I guess they couldn't wait for someone, maybe even yourself, to come up with something better ... and then impliment it. And how do you already assume the PPP is a waste of money???? Have you seen the books before everyone else ... or are you just passing judgement ... again.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

they planned having pictures of strykers as the poster child PPP club?


I dont know what you are seeing, that it looks like anything.
We've heard about 300 PPP members in First Month,
and 1 club <not even the Urban PPP as intended> in 6 months.
What are you looking at, cause that is all the PPP we've been shown.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Hey KE, the thing is a dog an is gonna go the same way as the cd did I bet. The main people on here who want it to go big time are the ones who sell electric planes an accessories.


Ronnie

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Perhaps.
But where are the numbers to show Progress or Sinkhole.

Good numbers get published, bad numbers get burried.... and what have we heard since Jan?

But we will probably get an influx of new PeePee's now that they see Strykers at PeePee clubs.
Thats what the pic was for, right?
Getting more PeePee's?
But putting it in MA, wont they be getting those PeePee's from the guys that are already members?

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

I got it! I got! (jumping up and down, swinging my hands wildly over my head)


It is part of the great plan to sell peepee to the regular AMA members...now lets see... if they could get half of us to buy peepee they would lose some revenue on each sale but what the hey, they could make it up in quantity...

Kid, you finally made me see the truth…you are right!

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

The last number I found anywhere so far: April 19 EC minutes:

g. Marketing: The EC members will be placed on a permanent mailing list to receive the quarterly issues of Park Pilot magazine. There are currently just over 500 Park Pilot members; it is expected that this number will grow with continued promotion. Sixty thousand E-mails were sent to Open, Senior Citizen and Leader Members concerning the Park Pilot Partner program. This mailing asked for volunteers willing to help out the newcomer; 385 positive responses to date.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...ecminutes.aspx

Of course, that doesn't say how many are new members, or are former full members that dropped down.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

I don't know about selling the Pee Pee, but they sure are passing around loads of B.S............!

Bill, AMA 4720

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p51-
Great find. Thanx
300 in Jan, and the next few months added up to 200.... what are we looking at, 800 for the year?
oh, plus about 200 StrykerFliers on the PPP illegally makes 1000

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

There was another case of someone holding a alledgedly PPP illegal plane in a picture. That turned out to be bunk also

Hey, looks like somebody has the answers we've been looking for.
I've been looking for them here, and so has Robo:
So it seems we now have Robo's un-resolved able thing resolved
or so that blue recent Robo Text from another thread would suggest.

Lets hear the facts Robo found that make this thread Bunk rather than unresolved.



<edit Append>
Frank (Muroc)
Great, lets get the sound bite of the explanation here.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

So are you going to get it, or are you just dropping additional ......um...........er........."nuggets" in the punch bowl here? The location of the information was posted here, and it took me all of 5 minutes to find it. Are you going to bother? I suspect not.

KE, are you REALLY that interested that you want to resurect a 6 month old thread about a picture of the club? Why? What's the point or the purpose? Really.

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Bob...come on...you know the answer....

it all started in early childhood..... ;)

RE: Is the first Chartered PPP club violating the rules?
 

Frank says he has info from the source
lets hear it.

"Location" ? Please refer to post #75, 91 & 95, 118, 130 etc Still waiting.
Thats all it takes to put this to bed...
and they now have this info but dont want to post it?


Robo makes declarations as if this is resolved... lets see the data.
Muroc says he has the data we've been waiting on... lets see it.

Or is thread going to turn into the SteveK type of arguement
"unidentified unquotable reliable source prove me right"