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RE: EC Votes In Term Limits
ORIGINAL: DREAMER-RCU I'll step in and let you know that another District 10 AVP is also active here. One of the problems that has somewhat forced this issue is the realization that with long term VP's, is that they learn how to milk the system. There is at least one that has had AMA scholarships for all of his childern. His childern are also on international teams and get to go to foreign contests. These "advantages" are difficult to come by for those without "connections". There are other VP's that have tied their business to their position. A little bit of free advertising helps grease the skids. My point is that any long time elected position can use their vote to control the enviroment in which a living is made. Depending on the "elected" morals, or job constraints, will affect the position and how they use it. I would vote for a term limit with NO futher ability to run again. I would also allow an ex-VP to be on a committee as a member only (capture the knowledge) for one term. Then off to retirement. To answer questions about long term AVP's. Distric 10 has several AVP's that have many years of service. I happen to have the most years of service of any AVP that AMA has records for (currently 30 years and counting). Yes, we have duties, doing as our VP directs us to do. AVP's are the eyes and ears for the VP. We attend meetings and events that the VP can't. We field questions about AMA and help individuals and clubs with their problems. Many of us have become skilled mediators as part of our duties. Bob Reynolds AMA Fellow AMA AVP dist 10 AMA 3006 |
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Names can be infered from business ties. Some rules are not well known so that joe average can't take advantage of them. For instance, how many of you have looked at the AMA scholarship program and the question has to be " what do I need to do to get my kid a scholarship?" What kind of inside knowledge helps.
I really don't want to air out laundry, but I feel that new blood, if neccesary via term limits has merit. |
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Have you stated your concerns to your DVP? If so what action did he take?
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ORIGINAL: Kemosobie Have you stated your concerns to your DVP? If so what action did he take? CR |
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And your point being?
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Term Limit? Where? I dont see terms being limited, but an open ended exclusion on the basis of Incumbant Only Ballots.... and we all know AMA hardly ever mails one name ballots :eek: "In any election, if there is no qualified candidate* of record (as determined by the chair of the Nominating Committee) 30 days before the nomination process ends**, an incumbent officer who has served the maximum number of complete terms may then be considered for an additional term by being nominated, per normal procedures, for the position currently held. If elected, this officer must stand down after this one term unless there is no qualified nominee, as determined above, in a subsequent cycle." I would preferred that it said something along the lines of; " In any election, if there is no nominated candidate then that position will remain UNFILLED until the next election cycle." Essentially, if no one in the district gets nominated the district loses representation until the next normal election cycle for that district. No special appointments, no special elections. No interest, no representation. But, as it is written, it is at least a step towards real term limits which, after reading here, seem to be needed to prevent the leaders from milking the system. The flipside, however is that the hired employees have no such limit and already seem to be running the organization. The term limits could make that scenario worse. Not sure how I will vote. There are some good points people have brought up here on both sides. |
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P51
Write-In Should hold an election like the rest of the elections, but instead of a One Name Ballot with Write-In line (folks write in all the time) its a Zero Name ballot with Write-In line. If folks want to write in the Incumbent, ok whatever, they must really not have anyone else in mind if the incumbent wins the write in. Somebody is going to win the Write-In, even if it is a qualified guy with just 2 votes.... cause we can assume the incumbent will get at least 1 vote from himself. |
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K.E.,
That is a good idea. Now from the persepective of this vote, is it better to vote for the limits and hope to tweek it later, or not vote for because it is poorly written. I am leaning towards voting for it and hoping for the "fix it later" approach simply because, as someone pointed out, if it is voted down that can be used to say "well term limits were brought up, but the L.M. voted it down so it is not wanted or needed". |
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Now from the persepective of this vote, is it better to vote for the limits and hope to tweek it later, or not vote for because it is poorly written. If someone likes unlimitted terms, then vote FOR this term limit rule: It is TOOTHLESS and doesnt really stop terms in the One Name Ballot org AMA has become. Incumbents may continue to be on One Name Ballots for an unlimited number of times. If someone wants to limit terms, then vote FOR this term limit rule: Eventually we can adjust it to get teeth, but if it gets voted down now then folks for the next 40years will say there is no ned to even consider term limits cause once upon a time it lost a vote. |
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sooo,
here it is a month after the last post in the thread. has anybody heard, read, or been told anything about the outcome of this vote yet? |
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i am seeing unconfirmed report on another site that both issues passed.
any confirmation out there? |
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I believe that the vote finished on ~the 14th of April, and it was on the agenda for the EC meeting that was just held.
I would think that the word will be out pretty soon. As I stated on RCG, most folks I talked to were for the issues. Marc |
RE: EC Votes In Term Limits
ORIGINAL: DREAMER-RCU I'll step in and let you know that another District 10 AVP is also active here. One of the problems that has somewhat forced this issue is the realization that with long term VP's, is that they learn how to milk the system. There is at least one that has had AMA scholarships for all of his childern. His childern are also on international teams and get to go to foreign contests. These "advantages" are difficult to come by for those without "connections". There are other VP's that have tied their business to their position. A little bit of free advertising helps grease the skids. My point is that any long time elected position can use their vote to control the enviroment in which a living is made. Depending on the "elected" morals, or job constraints, will affect the position and how they use it. I would vote for a term limit with NO futher ability to run again. I would also allow an ex-VP to be on a committee as a member only (capture the knowledge) for one term. Then off to retirement. To answer questions about long term AVP's. Distric 10 has several AVP's that have many years of service. I happen to have the most years of service of any AVP that AMA has records for (currently 30 years and counting). Yes, we have duties, doing as our VP directs us to do. AVP's are the eyes and ears for the VP. We attend meetings and events that the VP can't. We field questions about AMA and help individuals and clubs with their problems. Many of us have become skilled mediators as part of our duties. Bob Reynolds AMA Fellow AMA AVP dist 10 AMA 3006 Wildbill |
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ORIGINAL: wildbill-RCU //snip// Hossfly, has the AMA ever responded to this problem? Wildbill OVSS: "I believe that the vote finished on ~the 14th of April, and it was on the agenda for the EC meeting that was just held." Yes, I retained a copy. Yes, the recent AMA EC Meeting Agenda, as posted on the AMA Web site states: b. Bylaws Committee:... Andy Argenio • Term Limits • Contest Board Members I voted NO on the Motion VII for Term Limits as proposed. I voted YES for Motion II ref. allowing the Dist. Cont. Board Members to select their own Chairmen. Argenio had another item important to me and that was about the Event Separation Protection (Lack of) between IMAA Big Bird Events, which are sanctioned by both IMAA and AMA, and other standard AMA Big Bird events sanctioned only by AMA and not IMAA. Absolutely nothing accomplished and the IMAA President was there. He must have felt a strong burning sensation on the face. [:@] |
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What happened with this?
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Does it really matter?
Without the Muncie Style term limits, We can have unlimited Incumbent Only One-Name Ballots. With the Muncie Style term limits, We can have unlimited Incumbent Only One-Name Ballots. Heck, there isnt even a provsion for removing the incumbent from the ballot if a lot of folks get nominated in the last 30days when the incumbent is allowed back on. Is it safe to say that in the past 5 DVP election years, like 30-40% the districts are OneName Ballots? |
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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ORIGINAL: Kemosobie What happened with this? <p dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">MOTION VII: Moved by A. Argenio (I) and seconded by J. Giffin (X) to adopt and implement as of April 25, 2009 the Bylaw Amendment (MOTION VII) dealing with Term Limitation for AMA elected officers that was passed by the Executive Council at the January 11, 2009 meeting, amended by the Executive Council on January 22, 2009 by conference call, and ratified by Leader Member vote on April 17, 2009. MOTION passed: Y-10; N-3 (III, IV and VII). </p> |
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BM: "It was approved by the leader members." |
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly BM: "It was approved by the leader members." |
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly BM: "It was approved by the leader members." |
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Silent-
"But a majority. Isn't democracy wonderful??" you are in California, how can someone in california endorse democracy when their state so frequently decries / cancels its ballot results? Isn't democracy wonderful??<br type="_moz"/> |
RE: EC Votes In Term Limits
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Silent- "But a majority. Isn't democracy wonderful??" you are in California, how can someone in california endorse democracy when their state so frequently decries / cancels its ballot results? Isn't democracy wonderful?? |
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