Ok here's my question. I've been flying my trainer a while and I'm totally bored with it. I've cranked up the throws so far the ailerons are almost vertial on the wing

I've flown it a LOT (probably pushing 10-12 gallons so far) and people comment on how good I fly (not a brag I just fly a lot of stick time) and I do the usual stuff with a trainer, rools/loops/inverted and can even manage a really crappy looking snap with it with the rates cocked way up.

Right now it's the only plane I own but I've flown another guys 4* 60 size with a .91 4-stroke several times including the full aerobatic (meaning I didn't just fly the pattern) take-offs, landings no problem etc..

IF I get a stinger 60 size ARF and really tone down the throws think it will be suitable for me at this stage? Everyone at the field recommends a 4* but I really like the stinger. The other plane they recommend is the U-CAN-DO because of it's thick wing it flies slow. Only problem is I hate the damn thing, on weekends it's a uncando fly in it appears with my trainer being the odd one out.

Anyway if it's way beyond me I'll look into building a 4* and fly it for a while....

The giant Stinger can be as docile as you want, so I would bet the .60 size will too. If you can handle a 4*, you will be fine with a Stinger.

Well if your as good as you think you are. Skip the Stinger and go to a .40 size warbird like a P-51 or Dago Red/ Throw a 61fx up front with a Pitts underneath and try that out for size. Or if your the Aerobatics type, go for the 60 size edge 540 or such. This is not a normal route but some people just pick things up quicker and some dont. I am a speed man and don't care for the "Extras or Edges type. later

Go with the Stinger and a .90FS and you'll never need to look back!

I don't mean to imply that I'm better than anyone else. I just get to fly 4-5 days a week is all. I've never seen a stinger in person - everyone flies a uncando at my field and was wondering if the stinger has a thick airfoil etc... suitable for slow flight or it was a thin wing with a taper like the planes I know I can't fly.

I agree with SVFlier, I have the Giant Stinger with a Brison 4.2. It's a 20 pound baby when lite on the throttle, but when you firewall it, it's a unlimited verticle maniac. I'm not sure about the smaller stinger but would guess it's the same thing with the proper motor. The four star is a good aircraft, but is more of a floater not a "go where pointed" flyer. This floater type is what seems your wanting to get away from on your trainer. But the stinger can float in on landings, but is more of a "go where pointed".

just my .02 worth
rich

We have had every size Stinger at our field. I had a .40 an have a based giant (Super Sportster like 89" wing.)

All fly well. The bigger the better. The 60 should be nice. They do like being overpowered, stick with the high end of the recommended engine size.

With low throws, they handle as easy as a trainer. They can be quite responsive. Not a 3D or aerobat, just a great combo of low speed, high speed and responsiveness. These are everybody's "just fly for fun with no hassles" planes. Most have warbirds, Extras, bipes etc that we fly for a challenge, but keep the stingers for every day use.

BTW, beef up the wing saddle at F2, trust me on this.

Go with the Stinger, I had one and I loved it. It was very docile, it would almost land by itself. It was the first plane that I could hover and do rolling turns.

If you can handle it (money), get the Stinger 120 or the giant stinger on gas.
Some will say that this is overkill for a second plane but if you are good and can get in and out of trouble on your own. Then this will be a good plane. Just remember that you need to crawl before you can walk, and go for it.

I had a Stinger 120 a few years ago. No complaints but i guess where i was coming from is what direction in this hobby do you want to go. depending on what that may be could save you from wastng time and money on planes. Warbirds, Scale, Aerobatics, 3D etc.
I do warbirds and speed is my main thing. One thing about those 3D U Can Do things are the engines must be inverted and there is no place to lower the tank. This causes problems and i go to the field to have fun and fly, not fix and fart with a plane all day.
Anyways how about a small ultra stik. Trainer like capabilities but with no dihedral and can move with the best of them.

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna mull it over for a few days.

I'm not really interested at all into getting into 3-D stuff any time soon. I just like the planes that do "scale" like manauvers - stuff like loops/rolls/snaps (that don't go on forever unlike real life) and stalls.

I get aggravated flying my trainer at times cause it wants to self right intead of going where I'm telling it to ...that and it won't stall at all really. I just put it straight up a lot and cut the power to get it into any kinda stall manauver.

One reason I don't want to go the "stick" route is looks - pure and simple. If I can find a plane that will do what I want and look OK to me that's a bonus and that includes having at least a partial cowl yeah I know you can't have it all but I bet someone could put out a sport type plane like a 4 star with a cowl and a decent canopy and make a ton of cash off people like me.

I built the stinger 40 and I can tell you with all confidence that if you can takeoff, land and get yourself out of a little trouble every now and then, a stinger is the way to go. This plane is very forgiving flying slow , with no tendency to tip stall. I put a magnum .46 with Pitts up front and this plane would vertical until it ran out of fuel if I was to let it. The recommended throws are right on for slow flight or burning holes in the sky! The only problems I had was the wing saddle needs beefing up, and it finishes nose heavy. It was my second plane after I became bored with the trainer. I am also building the 120 now with a 25cc engine. I've got tired of the gunk all over the plane to. Good luck!

I have a Stinger 60 thats about four now and somewhat patched. I have a Mag 91 Fs that is a nice match. The plane flies where you point it, period. If you build one remember to carbon fiber under the leading and trailing bulkheads below the wing saddle. The plans tell you to score the fus. and epoxy the score mark, add carbon there and in front below the leading edge. I have seen three Stingers fail at these points......No other special problems and lots of fun.

I have two Stinger´s. The 120 is powered Moki 180 and Giant G-62.
Both perform very well normal aerobatics. They aren´t 3-D planes!
Experience says if money is not problem go with bigger!
I allways prefer fly the big Stinger. No problem with wind and is docile to landing and gas powered! Have 14 planes and Stinger has put other in hangar!

Try an inverted snap with your trainer. Inverted snaps look nicer then upright snaps. The stick position's for left inverted snap are full down elevator full left aileron and Full RIGHT rudder. Right inverted snaps are full down elevator, right aileron, and LEFT rudder. make sure you have plenty of rubber bands cause its the most violent maneuver a trainer can do!