I'm considering the Zero as a home for a Magnum 80fs. Not being familar with Seagull ARF's, has anyone assembled one and is the Mag 80fs to much motor for the Zero? Is the Seagull line a quality product? Any info will be appreicated.

I have assembled two of the Seagull ARFs. While some aspects leave something to be desired, they are well worth their low price tags. And lots of stuff is done at the factory. The two I did (SpacewalkerII and Decathlon) had preinstalled engine mounts, and the Spacewalker was prehinged.

Overall I think that for the price, they are outstanding.

I had the edge 540 and did not like it at all some off the parts did not fit correctly. It could have been 1 bad arf out off a whole lot. I sold it to a guy who made the proper adjustments and he says he loves it!!!

But anyways , I probably would not buy another one.

just my opinion!!!!!!!

I have the 540 Edge,the build was easy and everything went together as plan,it also looks VERY nice but have not flown it yet.

P-40 I think there was an article writen about the cg not been right. If I can find the thread I will send it to you.

later

Minnflyer summed up current Seagull product up pretty darned well.

I've inspected the Seagull Zero (.46) up close and personal. Viewed the silver version. Being one of their newer Seagull ARFs it's laser cut. The Vietnamese have also finally worked out how to align a jig. Three cheers for this one!!! Vietnamese ARFs always have and still do suffer from weight bloat....but they are improving. The Seagull Zero is no exception, but then it is a warbird. Longeron work inside the fuselage keeps the weight down and is inarguably impressive. Covering is "Easycoat". (Profilm/Ultracoat) Overall very nice. Pricing/value is stunning. The irritation of having to rework a few minor issues is easily overcome by the price and resultant quality of the product.

Sorely tempted to buy one myself, - but one can't have everything one sees or wants. []

I have assembled the Seagull PC-9 and have their Decathlon (yet to assemble). Black Horse, Seagull and Phoenix brands all emanate from the same production facility. I also have two Phoenix and a Black Horse ARF. Latest Seagull offerings are a quantum leap.

Not yet up to World Models standards, but at a compromise of price point and of sufficient quality where WM are soon going to have to start watching their backs. The following is a generalisation, and like all generalisations there will be exceptions, but IME provides an accurate guide to their respective offerings.

Seagull's Zero. Buy if you are on a budget and want a decent semi-scale warbird ARF with a few minor niggles. Looks great in the air.

SIGRUN
BEEN LOOKING AT THE ZERO FOR AWHILE, BUT STAYED AWAY BECAUSE,OF THE AMOUNT OF THE NOSE WEIGHT NEEDED TO BALANCE.------IS THIS NEW MODEL ANY DIFFERNCE?-----------
THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY
LEN LOGUN

you are right -three of them all the same
black hose --phoenix -- seagull --- father and son -and son they pick up three diff name
now look like seagull under control from horizon

Re Seagull Zero tail arm and balance

In short, don't know/can't offer a definitive answer as I haven't assembled or flown that Seagull Zero myself. Someone else?

If I had to hazard an educated guess, the empennage is a covered framework and the rear fuselage longeron and stringer assembly just has to be seen to be believed. Paying for all that labour in dong rather than dollars has allowed Seagull to keep the fuselage aft section a lightweight covered framework. All in all, even with the short nose moment, by the time you get the engine and silencer assembly up front with that fibreglass cowl, I shouldn't see CofG presenting as a problem even at dry weight especially if you chose a heavier 4 stroke powerplant.

Mark 1 Eyeball inspection shouts "Buy me!" Though I'm sure there'll be the usual compliment of Seagull ARF niggles, it offers as incredible value for money. Laser cutting is very tidy, construction substantive and the rear fuse and empennage a work of art. Still using hot glue guns (& CA) though. Guess all depends upon personal expectations. It comes at considerable cost, but buying World Models usually results in satisfaction unless a diehard must be exact scale buff. WM don't do a .46 version though.

I know a flyer at out local field who used I think an OS 70 Surpass ... he had about (no kidding ok) 14 oz on the nose!!! It was 7 strips of tire balance weights. The landing was kinda hot.

The plane looks good. However, I don't think the wing is retracts ready.

No it's not retract ready. Modifying it for retracts would be a PITA. If retracts were essential, I'd shop elsewhere.

It's a stand-off or semi-scale, call it what you will, .45 sized low tech easy handling warbird for budget conscious sport fliers just wanting something which looks the part in the air. That's its target market and user genre niche.

VQ zero have retract and oleo strut install already

I've seen the VQ and liked it, but is a little under twice the price. Sigrun puts it well in that the Seagull is a budget flyer's choice.

Duke

The VQ Zero is almost twice the price because it's almost twice the plane. It's larger and comes with pre-installed retracts with functional oleo struts. I had the first generation zero, and it was an excellent flyer:

I wasn't knocking the VQ at all on price, I think the VQ models are a good value. But if someone is looking at Seagull's Zero, then the price is most likely a strong part of that attraction. That's the only reason why I pointed out that the VQ was more money.

As a flyer on a budget, for me the difference between an ARF at $149 and an ARF at $260 is the difference between a stand-back-scale model ready to fly and a beautiful hangar queen waiting on me to save up for the right engine.

**Edit, the $260 is not the price of the VQ Zero, its just a number I put in as I was trying to make a general point. Reading it again I see that even though I separated the two sentences they do read like a continuous meaning.**

Duke

Where in the heck did you get $260? The current VQ Zero is only $200: [link]http://www.vqmodelaircraft.com/products/aircraft/zero.html[/link]

richard L you will right VQ zero 199.00

I wasn't specifically referring to the VQ in the second part. I just needed two numbers and I knew the price of the Seagull Zero so I used the $149 as my low and just pulled the $260 out to show a difference. I'll edit the above to clear it up as I was just trying to make a point not compare the prices on the two models directly.

Duke

Richard
What do you think of that VQ zero?
Im looking at the green colored version.
Any bad qualitys?

I think richard right ;;;199.00
maybe I need go to eye doctor checking up my eye ;;I try searching where is 260.00 for VQ zero

The white one that I had was a first generation zero, so quality was just OK. VQ has improved quality since then.

hi richard your zero come with retract and struts ..how longer do you have vq zero --how covering ?

Like I said above, my Zero was the first generation, which did not come with retracts and struts. I had to install retracts myself. Covering was OK, but tends to crack in some places. That was several years ago. The newer Zero is better.

thanks richard