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Old 02-22-2006 | 09:42 PM
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Default Best way to join split ailerons?

I recently got a new GP Giant Stik. I don't like the split aileron and flap setup. I was wondering what would be the best way to join the split ailerons into one aileron.

My original plan was to join the two ailerons together by thin CA to first tack it, then use fiberglass cloth on both sides on top and bottom of the aileron to reinforce it.

Any better suggestions? I am not sure my idea is the best option. I am sure there are stronger ways to join the ailerons.
Old 02-23-2006 | 11:08 AM
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Your best bet is to just lock the flaps in position. The inboard side of the ailerons has VERY little effect on roll rate, so it's not worth the hassle of joining it.
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That is true. Or, you can lay them down on top of one long piece of aileron stock and cut new ones. Or, you could join them with CA. I would use fiberglass, though. You'll be getting pretty thick there in teh middle. Instead, consider using small brass tubing glued into place holding the two together. Drill a small hole in each aileron, and slip the brass tube into the hold (like a wing joiner), and epoxy together. You'll not have any problems at all with that setup. However, remember that now you have a large surface, so a little more servo will be required.
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Or if the servos are installed why not just join them with a "Y" conector and make the flaps work with the ailerons. If it were me I'd just lock the flaps in position and not worry about it. ENJOY !!! RED
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Default RE: Best way to join split ailerons?

There is an option of Y connectors. But I don't want to mess with all the wiring, as I have a fairly basic radio. (Airtronics VG400).

I was able to buy some high torque servos from Servocity when they had a sale. I got two of the coreless 945MG for about 50 dollars a piece, these servos are 150oz at 6 volts. I think 150 oz-in is plenty for the ailerons.

My plan was not to increase the roll rate of the plane by joining the ailerons. I just didn't feel I need the flap feature.

Thanks for the advice from all who posted. It is well appreciated. I think I will use the brass tube idea and join it like I would a typical arf wing.
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There is an option of Y connectors. But I don't want to mess with all the wiring, as I have a fairly basic radio. (Airtronics VG400).

I was able to buy some high torque servos from Servocity when they had a sale. I got two of the coreless 945MG for about 50 dollars a piece, these servos are 150oz at 6 volts. I think 150 oz-in is plenty for the ailerons.

My plan was not to increase the roll rate of the plane by joining the ailerons. I just didn't feel I need the flap feature.

Thanks for the advice from all who posted. It is well appreciated. I think I will use the brass tube idea and join it like I would a typical arf wing.
Probably would work ok but I would just build 2 new ailerons myself. Would take like 2 hours max to build and cover them and then you don't have an area that could possibly fail.
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I have a Giant Big Stik, and I tried using the flaps (as ailerons) along with the ailerons. It really didn't improve the roll rate.
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The brass tube will work fine. And, with epoxy and clamping, should never fail. This is how I have the inboard flap connected to the outboard flaps on my TF AT 6. Two servos operating 3 separate flaps. I would advise two small brass tubes, though. One at the LE, and one out close to the TE (as close as possible, where it isn't too thin for the tubing!
Good luck with it.
I just started my giant stick build last night. Two hours, and I got one half of the wing done. Two servos, soldered wire extensions, and soldered pushrods. I'll do the other half tonight, and look forward to flying this thing maybe next week. You did notice the change in CG in the addendum, didn't you?
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Yes I noticed the CG change. Thanks for the tip.

I have my stik setup as a trike. Currently it has an os 1.60fx mounted. Are you planning to set it up as a tail dragger or trike?

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Mine will be a tail dragger, as I'm putting a 25 CC gasser on it. I have the wing all finished now. Took about 3 or 4 hours total, but I soldered all extra wire, instead of using pre-made extensions. I guess I'll start the tail feathers tomorrow evening. From that point, it looks pretty quick to finish!

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