Folks..

This will be my first Pitts any input on choosing the Cermark S2B or CG P12 Monster..??

Thanks,

Pete

I can tell you from personal experience that the Goldberg Model 12 Monster is a sweet flying Pitts. And, it's durable, also. I've put mine in once due to a radio hit, and the damage was pretty minimal considering how hard it hit the ground. I've got an OS 1.60 FX engine on mine, and it has plenty of power to spare. There a large build thread on this plane in this section that's got a lot of information. I've only seen one of the Cermark Pitts, and it flew well, but I think the Goldberg presents better, as it is a tad larger. Plus, it doesnt look like every other Pitts at the field. Flying wise, well, it's a Pitts. Keep the speed up on approach, because it will fall out of the sky if you dont. If you deadstick (with either one), all I can say is point the nose down and hope you are close to the runway or a decent soft spot, because she WILL come down in a hurry. You just have to remember they are both Pitts, and they fly differently. The other thing is, if you are thinking of putting a gasser on the Goldberg, be prepared to do some surgery to put the elevator and rudder servos in the tail, because it will build nose heavy with a gas engine. I dont think you would go wrong with either one of these planes, but I am partial to the Model 12, just because it's different. If I had $180,000 to blow on a toy, I'd have a real one sitting in my hangar.

Thanks for your insight...I was hoping to use a gasser...such a tough decision. I do have the CG Decathlon and like their products. However, I was leaning toward the Cermark because of the servo positioning and its lighter weight. They both seem pretty equal might just come done to personal choice of presentation.

I have built and flown the Cermark Pitts, and flown the CC Pitts 12. I flew my Cermark for four seasons with a Saito 180 up front. The Pitts 12 had a G26 in it. I think the Monster 12 is better suited for the gasser if you are leaning that way. Having said that, they both fly very well. I did do some beefing up on my Cermark, even for the 180, and a lot has been documented about this plane in the threads already. I had the engine quite one day, just as i had pulled vertical runway center. It fell backwards, so i pulled out inverted, rolled over and just got the wings level as the wheels touched, then started to breath again. Don't think many bipes would have been able to do that. I saw the Monster owner dead stick it off the field one day. He came carring it back with no damage. We couldn't even see it when it hit the ground. One tough bird. I don't think you will be dissapointed in either plane.

I have the Cermark with a ST2300 in it. It flies just fine. I like it because it will fit into the minivan all together. I don't fly it much, just on special occassions, since I got the Goldberg 30% Ultimate. I really like that plane allot and easy to put together, since there aren't any flying wires on it either. My Cermark has been around since January of 2001, had some really hard landings and even been cartwheeled when I let a friend fly it. Like they said, one tough bird.

I will be selling mine to a friend this spring. Hope you enjoy yours as much as we have enjoyed mine. BTW the Ultimates do fly allot better, but they just aren't as attractive as the Pitts.

Pete,
My experience with the Cermark Pitts was less than positive. I have owned several Cermark ARFs and most have flown pretty well. If you have a problem though.Cermarks's customer support in my experiece is non-existant. My Pitts came apart in mid air costing me over a thousand dollars. [kit,YS engine,radio equip. etc] Upon review of the wreckage we fould that parts of both wings had not even been glued and calls to Cermark got me no where. Even in a "face to face" at Toledo where I showed them a piece of the plane, they basically ignored my claims . I'd stay away from this company at all costs.

Just my two cents
Good flying,
paul

I have to agree with Paul...

I have the Cermark Pitts with a MVVS .91, it flies great BUT the finish is NOT up to par. I've seen the GP & wish I could go back in time and buy that one...

Too late 4 me butnot 4 U!

check out this link for a review of the CG Pitts: http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4918

Thanks for the input folks..but my mind has been improved and I've been convinced to go with the Kangke Waco and a Brison 2.4.