SAEGULL EDGE
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From: Gilbert,
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(this may not be valid for everyone)
Let me clarify the issue:
I got the Seagull Edge 540 new in box from the LHS. When I opened the box, there was not a smooth area on the plane. A prune is smooth compare to the way the covering was on the plane. Also the fuse was warped, the ailerons were bent, the rudder and the elevators were curved. Not to mention that a wing was shorter and thicker than the other one. After a very long time of working on it (could have finished a kit faster than getting the ARF together), it was in a somewhat flying condition....
At the beggining it was fitted with an OS .91FX but I put the OS 1.08FSR on it later. I had about 8-9 flights on the plane with no problems (bouncing, hard landings, mild crashes) till that last flight when the whole back end of the plane came off in the flight.
The conclusion:
The plane is made in Vietnam, in a very humid and warm place. Balsa is a pulp wood with little fiber in it as oposed to oak that is mostly fiber and a bit of pulp. By this nature, balsa is a wet type of wood. When a plane made from this material and in those conditions is brought into a very hot and dry place (Phoenix Az - 110F), the wood starts to lose the water in it and it shrinks (hence the very loose covering on it), and also the glue (that is poor quality to begin with) starts to crack. What happened to my plane was due to structure failure from the above mentioned factors.
I am not crazy about all those Asian made planes (where else), but I will have more confidence in a plane made in Northen China as opposed in Vietnam or any similar located countries.
Have looked at another identical plane in the LHS and it was in a similar condition. Even if Horizon will replace the plane (I would much rather have the motor, servos, battery, receiver, TT spinner replaced) I will NOT build it or fly it. Not mad about loosing the plane ($175.99) as I am about loosing every thing else along with it. From now on I will not buy, build or fly any Seagull model unless is made in a dry place (ya! right...)
If you have good experience with your models, enjoy them! but I did not have with mine.
dc
Let me clarify the issue:
I got the Seagull Edge 540 new in box from the LHS. When I opened the box, there was not a smooth area on the plane. A prune is smooth compare to the way the covering was on the plane. Also the fuse was warped, the ailerons were bent, the rudder and the elevators were curved. Not to mention that a wing was shorter and thicker than the other one. After a very long time of working on it (could have finished a kit faster than getting the ARF together), it was in a somewhat flying condition....
At the beggining it was fitted with an OS .91FX but I put the OS 1.08FSR on it later. I had about 8-9 flights on the plane with no problems (bouncing, hard landings, mild crashes) till that last flight when the whole back end of the plane came off in the flight.
The conclusion:
The plane is made in Vietnam, in a very humid and warm place. Balsa is a pulp wood with little fiber in it as oposed to oak that is mostly fiber and a bit of pulp. By this nature, balsa is a wet type of wood. When a plane made from this material and in those conditions is brought into a very hot and dry place (Phoenix Az - 110F), the wood starts to lose the water in it and it shrinks (hence the very loose covering on it), and also the glue (that is poor quality to begin with) starts to crack. What happened to my plane was due to structure failure from the above mentioned factors.
I am not crazy about all those Asian made planes (where else), but I will have more confidence in a plane made in Northen China as opposed in Vietnam or any similar located countries.
Have looked at another identical plane in the LHS and it was in a similar condition. Even if Horizon will replace the plane (I would much rather have the motor, servos, battery, receiver, TT spinner replaced) I will NOT build it or fly it. Not mad about loosing the plane ($175.99) as I am about loosing every thing else along with it. From now on I will not buy, build or fly any Seagull model unless is made in a dry place (ya! right...)
If you have good experience with your models, enjoy them! but I did not have with mine.
dc
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From: worthing,
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Mine came out of the box perfectly. A couple of days earlier, I purchased a Great Planes Matt Chapman Cap 580, and talk about wrinkled. I spent about 1.5 hours reshrinking the covering, and it still looked marginal. It might be the location, but mine was perfect right out of the box.
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Danny, Sorry about your events, but...
First of all, why didn't you immediately send it back if it had all those problems?
Secondly, you got an obviously defective product, and rather than send it back, you tried to correct the problem - and then when the product failed, you tell others not to buy it.
With all due respect, what happened to yours sounds a lot more to me like shipping damage than humidity - don't forget, they ALL come across several thousands of miles of very wet ocean.
So you have seen two that were badly defective, and you "repaired" one of them and it broke.
I have seen two that were in excellent shape with VERY good construction (I don't know about my brother, but I never even touched the covering on mine) and they fly very well.
Now, I can understand your frustration, but you are the one who decided to repair rather than replace. Considering those circumstances, I wouldn't tell people to "Avoid" what is a very good plane.
First of all, why didn't you immediately send it back if it had all those problems?
Secondly, you got an obviously defective product, and rather than send it back, you tried to correct the problem - and then when the product failed, you tell others not to buy it.
With all due respect, what happened to yours sounds a lot more to me like shipping damage than humidity - don't forget, they ALL come across several thousands of miles of very wet ocean.
So you have seen two that were badly defective, and you "repaired" one of them and it broke.
I have seen two that were in excellent shape with VERY good construction (I don't know about my brother, but I never even touched the covering on mine) and they fly very well.
Now, I can understand your frustration, but you are the one who decided to repair rather than replace. Considering those circumstances, I wouldn't tell people to "Avoid" what is a very good plane.
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From: Bartlett,
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I have a Magnum 1.20 in mine and it flies great. I have no complaints whatsoever. In fact, it has become my windy day flyer now. My only complaint is the tail wheel. It is rather weak, but bug deal, most of my planes don't even have a tail wheel anymore. With the size of the rudder it is not needed.
Sorry about your experience Danny. Segull models have a rather good reputation in durability and quality. That package sounded like trouble from the start.
Sorry about your experience Danny. Segull models have a rather good reputation in durability and quality. That package sounded like trouble from the start.
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From: tulsa, OK
Bob,
It's a shame that someone gets the one bad apple in the box of hundreds and asumes that they are all bad! I have one of the first 68"seagull edge 540s and it is a very good airplane in fact its one of the best that I have flown. Now Im not a big ARF fan because I like to build, but this airplane is put together very well and the reason I know this is that when I fly I abuse the heck out of my aerobatic planes and have had no problems at all. As far as the seagull models go, I have flown several of them and have no complaints about them worth mentioning. So I would say if you like the plane get it and if you see any problems with it when you open it up make some calls and get it resolved. Just remember one bad apple dosnt make the whole batch bad, because if this was the case there wouldnt be one ARF out there that was any good.
Marc Lorenz
It's a shame that someone gets the one bad apple in the box of hundreds and asumes that they are all bad! I have one of the first 68"seagull edge 540s and it is a very good airplane in fact its one of the best that I have flown. Now Im not a big ARF fan because I like to build, but this airplane is put together very well and the reason I know this is that when I fly I abuse the heck out of my aerobatic planes and have had no problems at all. As far as the seagull models go, I have flown several of them and have no complaints about them worth mentioning. So I would say if you like the plane get it and if you see any problems with it when you open it up make some calls and get it resolved. Just remember one bad apple dosnt make the whole batch bad, because if this was the case there wouldnt be one ARF out there that was any good.
Marc Lorenz
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From: Percival, IA
Just finished my Edge a few minutes ago. I have put a lot of arfs together and I have never seen one that came out of the box in better shape than the Seagull. I had very little to do on the covering, very minor wrinkles. I was very impressed with quality of this plane. As for power I put on a Tower Hobbies .75 as I do not plan to do any 3D stuff with it. Maybe I am grossly underpowered but I think the th75 is a very strong motor. You guys got any thoughts on this. Any input would be greatly app.Chuck
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From: Bartlett,
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No, you are not that underpowered. it will fly fine. I doubt it will "Hang" on the prop, but let us know how it goes. My 1.20 magnum 4 stroke is not as powerful as a saito or OS, but it barely hangs on the prop. The Tower .75 is a very fine engine. I wouldn't ever buy a .46 from them, but I have heard/seen very good things from them.



