Servo Reversing Y Lead - Problems!!!
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Servo Reversing Y Lead - Problems!!!
Hi all,
I am having some real trouble here, I have Split elevators on my WM Extra 300s, I am using 2 x Hitec HS654MG, with a EMS SR-2Y servo reversing Y lead:
Now, the problem is: I turn on the TX and RX and the elevator half (with the reversing part of the lead) slowly goes down, get to the max servo movement and buzz's (like its trying to go further) then after a while comes up and works fine, then after a minute or so..... repeats the process, and then continues to keep doing this.
Odd huh??? can anyone help, I am wanting to maiden it very soon, but clearly its not getting airborne while this is happening!!!
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RJ
I am having some real trouble here, I have Split elevators on my WM Extra 300s, I am using 2 x Hitec HS654MG, with a EMS SR-2Y servo reversing Y lead:
Now, the problem is: I turn on the TX and RX and the elevator half (with the reversing part of the lead) slowly goes down, get to the max servo movement and buzz's (like its trying to go further) then after a while comes up and works fine, then after a minute or so..... repeats the process, and then continues to keep doing this.
Odd huh??? can anyone help, I am wanting to maiden it very soon, but clearly its not getting airborne while this is happening!!!
Thanks
RJ
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This is a very common problem with servo reverser's and exactly why I do not use them. I have seen first hand one that locked an elevator half full down in flight.
The other thing is the servos you have are not programmable. If you have the ability, put both elevator servos on separate channels and depending on the radio, you can either set dual elevator servos or mix the two channels, then reverse whatever one needs it in the radio.
If you let us know what TX/RX you are using and depending what it is, we may be able to help you attempt this
The other thing is the servos you have are not programmable. If you have the ability, put both elevator servos on separate channels and depending on the radio, you can either set dual elevator servos or mix the two channels, then reverse whatever one needs it in the radio.
If you let us know what TX/RX you are using and depending what it is, we may be able to help you attempt this
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I have the Futaba 7CAP with the elevator trim bug, so I had to use a Y connector also. I got the MPI Miracle Y connector, and am pleased with it.
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i use jr matchboxes now and will never, ever use any kind of y-harness again. the matchboxes are great. lots of adjustments and you can get your elevators perfect.
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RE: Servo Reversing Y Lead - Problems!!!
Ok,
Thank you all for the help, I am using a Futaba 7UAPS (PCM 1024).
Well, I am guessing that the reversing Y lead is the problem, so whats my next step - I have used all the channels in my RX, so by the sound of it my best option is to use a standard Y lead and reverse one of the servos internally - how hard is this to do? And how is it done?
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Thank you all for the help, I am using a Futaba 7UAPS (PCM 1024).
Well, I am guessing that the reversing Y lead is the problem, so whats my next step - I have used all the channels in my RX, so by the sound of it my best option is to use a standard Y lead and reverse one of the servos internally - how hard is this to do? And how is it done?
RJ
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kainisrj,
I hate to have to many mixes going on so what I do is when I order my servos if they are not digital it's about $8.00 to have one reversed internally and if they are digital they can be reversed by a servo programmer. When I ordered my HS-5645MG Digitals I forgot to have this done so I'm sending it to ServoCity and as long as you pay the shipping both ways they will reverse it with a programmer for free.
I hate to have to many mixes going on so what I do is when I order my servos if they are not digital it's about $8.00 to have one reversed internally and if they are digital they can be reversed by a servo programmer. When I ordered my HS-5645MG Digitals I forgot to have this done so I'm sending it to ServoCity and as long as you pay the shipping both ways they will reverse it with a programmer for free.
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http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-5.html
Look at this first, they are half way down the page. They work great.
Look at this first, they are half way down the page. They work great.
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Thanks again all,
Hows this though........ I just pulled the reversing y lead out of its foam padding, and turned the system on, still same problem........ then i thought i would just have a play around with the little trim pot (or what ever its called), so i tweaked it back and forth with a screw driver, this obviously sets the elevator trim, then i set it so the elevator looks right, and now - its work 100%. I have turned the TX and RX on and off, in different orders etc, and the trim stays perfect, everything is workin - what do i do now - do i risk it?
I am still a little way off a maiden flight - ie. the engine still needs to be tweaked, so i will keep an eye on the Y lead, if anything happens between now and flight day..... I will send my servo away and get it reversed properly!
What do you guys reckon? Shall i risk it - even if all goes 100% form now till the maiden flight?
RJ
Hows this though........ I just pulled the reversing y lead out of its foam padding, and turned the system on, still same problem........ then i thought i would just have a play around with the little trim pot (or what ever its called), so i tweaked it back and forth with a screw driver, this obviously sets the elevator trim, then i set it so the elevator looks right, and now - its work 100%. I have turned the TX and RX on and off, in different orders etc, and the trim stays perfect, everything is workin - what do i do now - do i risk it?
I am still a little way off a maiden flight - ie. the engine still needs to be tweaked, so i will keep an eye on the Y lead, if anything happens between now and flight day..... I will send my servo away and get it reversed properly!
What do you guys reckon? Shall i risk it - even if all goes 100% form now till the maiden flight?
RJ
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Clearly I Have spoken to soon!!!
Nope - Same Problem!!!!!
Ok I have to options now...................
1. Send my servo away to get reversed
2. Try to figure out how to use 2 channels on my radio to run both elevator servos? (i cant seem to find anything in the manual) - can anyone help me with this?
its a Futaba 7UAPS
RJ
Nope - Same Problem!!!!!
Ok I have to options now...................
1. Send my servo away to get reversed
2. Try to figure out how to use 2 channels on my radio to run both elevator servos? (i cant seem to find anything in the manual) - can anyone help me with this?
its a Futaba 7UAPS
RJ
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Clearly I Have spoken to soon!!!
Nope - Same Problem!!!!!
Ok I have to options now...................
1. Send my servo away to get reversed
2. Try to figure out how to use 2 channels on my radio to run both elevator servos? (i cant seem to find anything in the manual) - can anyone help me with this?
its a Futaba 7UAPS
RJ
Clearly I Have spoken to soon!!!
Nope - Same Problem!!!!!
Ok I have to options now...................
1. Send my servo away to get reversed
2. Try to figure out how to use 2 channels on my radio to run both elevator servos? (i cant seem to find anything in the manual) - can anyone help me with this?
its a Futaba 7UAPS
RJ
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Well..............
It just gets more interesting - After taking the Reverse Y lead out of the system, I tried a few things, and it turns out the servo it dodgey!!!
A brand new Servo!! Its still doing the exact same thing, buzzing its way right to the end of its travel, then holding - then centering itself again??
I tried it in 2 other channel ports on the RX and .... same thing!!! must be the servo?
RJ
It just gets more interesting - After taking the Reverse Y lead out of the system, I tried a few things, and it turns out the servo it dodgey!!!
A brand new Servo!! Its still doing the exact same thing, buzzing its way right to the end of its travel, then holding - then centering itself again??
I tried it in 2 other channel ports on the RX and .... same thing!!! must be the servo?
RJ
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If you have a standard Y harness , can't you just put the servo arms in opposite directions?
If you have a standard Y harness , can't you just put the servo arms in opposite directions?
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ORIGINAL: kainisrj
Clearly I Have spoken to soon!!!
Nope - Same Problem!!!!!
Ok I have to options now...................
1. Send my servo away to get reversed
2. Try to figure out how to use 2 channels on my radio to run both elevator servos? (i cant seem to find anything in the manual) - can anyone help me with this?
its a Futaba 7UAPS
RJ
Clearly I Have spoken to soon!!!
Nope - Same Problem!!!!!
Ok I have to options now...................
1. Send my servo away to get reversed
2. Try to figure out how to use 2 channels on my radio to run both elevator servos? (i cant seem to find anything in the manual) - can anyone help me with this?
its a Futaba 7UAPS
RJ
As to whether or not you could accomplish it with a mix I can't say as I'm not familiar with that radio, just the 9C Super and 9ZAP that I use...
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You have a bad servo, replace it and I think you will solve your problem. I have flown a giant scale P-47 all summer with a Y-reverser and have had no problems. Like anything else they represent a weak spot in a system that can be disabled with even the slightest glitch. As trustworthy as our systems are, they are still pretty fragile when you think about it. Good luck fixing your problem.
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As to whether or not you could accomplish it with a mix I can't say as I'm not familiar with that radio, just the 9C Super and 9ZAP that I use...
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Open it up and look. Just because it's a SMB board doesn't necessarily mean you can't modify it. If there are wire leads and you are good with a soldering iron you are home free. If the pad lengths are long enough to be cut and wires added to reverse the motor and the potentiometer leads you are also good to go. It should be rather obvious and you are the best judge of your abilities. If you've never had a servo apart or put a gear train back together and you are all thumbs it's better left alone. In my opinion its better to buy a Match Box or a digital Hitec servo and have it reversed if you have doubts.
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I purchased a couple of reversers and found that due to the small SMD pots that are used, the set values "drift" with temperature and humidity.
IMHO these things are NOT worth the grief. I ended chucking mine, as it always required fine tuning at the field.
As others have indicated, more channels on a TX mix, a reversed servo, or a more stable matchbox are better.
IMHO these things are NOT worth the grief. I ended chucking mine, as it always required fine tuning at the field.
As others have indicated, more channels on a TX mix, a reversed servo, or a more stable matchbox are better.
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RE: Servo Reversing Y Lead - Problems!!!
another way if you just use a y lead is to make sure that the sevo's horns are 1 up and 1 down what i mean is on 1 servo the horn is facing up and the other servo the horn is facing down