my edge got put into the burn barrel at the field today. of course i took all the radio stuffings out of it and eng.. im the one with the rolling to the left. ive tried everything u can imagine. i really believe i got a lemon. ive put lots of money and time in this plane. and it definetley was straight. even bought a laser inc. meter. i had a couple more flights with it. and i just flew it. it did not go to bad. but on the final landing down she went. and the fuse split in half. im so tired of this plane. im kind of glad. no more 3 in the morning with it. im now going to put my two cap 232 h9,s together. i hope there a better plane than the edge was for me. i believe this was one of there first kits. and maybe my wings had a problem. they were definetley straight. the leading edges though were a bit different in shape not alot just a little. but that could be it. i want to thank all that tried to help me with advice here on the net. i cant thank u enough. i dont think ill buy another h9 edge. ive herd good and bad. ive herd more bad than good. so i think ill try the caps. and if they go good someday maybe a lanier 540. at least now i have radio gear and saito 180 for my other cap that i was going to have to by stuff for. so it had a cremation. it was sort of sad. but in a way i was glad to see it burn. any how i thank u all for all the great info that uve given me. and i have learned much. i really really hope the caps are what ive been hearing. i can definetly fly and i can land them. there was just somthing wrong with this plane. i tried too much and still got no where with it. if anyone has any input on the h9 cap let me now. or ill be finding out in about another month. well take care all and happy flying. the edge is gone. bill :stupid:

Boy, what a Sad story. Sounds like your going to have a problem sleeping tonight. This reminds me of my Goldberg Staudacher, I had nothing but problems with it, and after only 4 flights she just turned and went in, I was like you and kinda happy, and was kinda sad, but I didnt miss it that much. Anyway I'm sure your gonna like the H9 Cap, I have one too, but havent flown it yet because of the weather here in Ohio, but enough about me. Just remember thats part of the hobby, and just be glad you werent sitting in it, like the real ones that crash. Daz...

where bouts in ohio are u. im in mansfield ohio. kind of ironic to here from someone in ohio. yes the weather sucks.

Hey Dazzler; Where in Ohio are you? We've been flying all winter(?) in the North East. (Mentor, OH) If only all winters were this good!!!

Well here's another Ohioan.Is there such a word?.I'm in Columbus.It's too sloppy at our field to fly even in mild winters.Tim.

Well I guess I should chime in here. I am from Hilliard Ohio and haven't been flying much but I am a fair weather flier

DEG

Hey guys, I'm from the Cleveland RC Club. the weather has been Ok but the field has been muddy, and dont want to take my planes out in that. Plus I am a good weather flier (60 degrees and above), I go out to have a good time, not too freeze my ass off. I have been out about twice this year. Daz...

Hey Ohio Guys! I'm in the Cincinnati area and we have been flying all winter. Our field has a paved runway which makes a big difference. Went out once with coroplast skis--what a blast! One of our club members, retired, logged more that 100 flights on his large waco bipes during January--a record for him.

Sounds like all of you ohio'ens need to come down here to TX where you can fly year around

Hey Balckie--One of the guys at work, here in Dayton, lived in Austin for a while and had nothing but good things to say about it. While we do fly all year, at least in Cincinnati, it's not always real comfortable. At our Cold Toe on Jan 1 a few years ago it was
-10F but no wind and bright sunshine.

Well its not always! peachy down here, the summer can be a killer as well

Oh! Austin is my home town been into the flying hobby only 9 months, kinda got a late start and am already working on an Edge 540 T 90 size from Aero Works *Can't wait to get it into the air*

hey the H9 540, how is that plane? is it a high quailty kit, or are there better ARFS out there? like AW and such?

Roadracer:
If I understood your post, it sounds like the Edge snapped on
approach. You'll be surprised to find the Cap will snap faster. The
thing I've found that stops all that with my Caps, Extra's & Laser
is to put in 1/8" washout in both ailerons. Trim UP both so that the TE is 1/8" higher than the trailing edge of the inboard part of the wing. This removes any tip stall. I'm now able to land any of
those snappers at a very slow speed. Next problem with the Cap.
is often too much elev. deflection is put in. With the cantilevered
elevator, you don't want more than 1" UP at the TE on low rates.
Otherwise when you pull a sharp up then the plane goes into the
dreaded death spiral. I lost one doing just that -- too much speed
and too little altitude -- just along for the ride. That sudden silence stays with you for quite a while.
Good luck with the Capitus
Randy

I'm in Ohio too. Licking County to be specific. I fly all Winter too - indoors. I don't like the cold, our field is kinda sloppy, and it's been so windy this Winter that it's scetchy just taking an airplane outdoors. Matter of fact, I lost a Goldberg Extra in the woods in Muskingam county last July, and a club member was flying over in a full size airplane in December and spotted it in the top of a tree, apparently in one piece. We went after it a few days later and a heavy wind the day before picked it up and moved it about a 1/4 mile from where he located it, and of course ripped it to pieces. Dog gone thing layed out there in the top of a tree for 5 months in one piece, and the wind shredded it the day before I got to it.

RREISS
about creating the washout I would clamp the airleron at the inboard part and use a heatgun to warp it with the incidence set at 1/8 in at the outboard end. My qusetion is this. Is this a slow taper along the length of the aileron or do you start the washout 1/2,2/3 or 3/4 out from the inboard edge? Thanks, Pete

Rocketman...I think what Rreiss is saying is just to add 1/8" UP at the TE of both ailerons along their entire length, compared to the fixed portion of the trailing edge of the wing, during SETUP. Funny thing, I 'built' one of the new Lazy 51's from Thunder Tiger...nice little plane, fitted it with an OS 25FX. Anywho...I had the flaperons set up backwards...i.e., Flaps off was zero incidence, flaps on was about 15 degrees, UP! Interesting flight characteristics...I don't known if the wing had any more or less lift, but the illusion of more lift was there because the UP ailerons combined with the very short control coupling on this plane pushed the tail down and pitched the nose up. First time I came in for a landing, it looked like I was almost flying it in a harrier maneuver...nose high, very slow.
What a blast...I 'fixed' it, but I've been wondering about it ever since.
TM

Timbersnake,
I see where your going but rreiss said this was 1/8th in up on the outside and no change in incidence on the inboard side. I want to know at what point along the aileron do you start? Pete

Hey roadracer, I know this is off subject, but what do you race? I know of a fellow named Tom Kipp who is from Ohio and is a road racer.......

sorry to hear about your airplane, better ruck on the cap.

WOOD

Rocketman...you could read it that way, but I don't think that's what he's saying...here it is:
The thing I've found that stops all that with my Caps, Extra's & Laser is to put in 1/8" washout in both ailerons. Trim UP both so that the TE is 1/8" higher than the trailing edge of the inboard part of the wing.

See? He says "1/8 higher than the trailing edge of the inboard part of the wing"...not the inboard part of the aileron...maybe he'll come back and straighten this up himself. It sure would be fun to try and get a uniform warp into two ailerons. I have enough trouble keeping them straight.
TM

Timbersnake,
I shot rreiss an email. I hope he comes back with some clarification. If not I may start a new thread on this. Pete

Pete: Sorry for the confusion but sometimes my fingers don't
say what I'm thinkin. No I don't warp the aileron but raise the
full length . This practice is best used on planes like the P-51,
AT-6, etc. where the ailerons are short sections but even on
longer ones I haven't seen much difference.

Point of warning !! This helps control the plane at stall
speed at landing but is not a cure-all for bad landing habits.
You still have to have good low approach and enough speed.
This washout isn't going to help if you dive in at the field then
flare up to about 4 or 5' then the surfaces guit flying -- there's
nothing that can help then other than a trash bag.

Randy

Randy,
Thanks for the response. Pete

Rreiss...If an 1/8th inch is good, is a 1/4 inch better on a big plane? Just wondering what the Primo number is...
TM

Hey

Put in some up aileron kinda like having up trim in the elevators.
instead of having them level to the wing. I do this with my Ultrastick 120.Down flaps, up ailerons=slow flight..Putt around on idle with a Saito 180

Way Cool!!
xtraflyr