I have been flying helis for years and planes for months (2). I can fly a plane pretty well. I started with a yak 54 3D with a saito 82 on it. I want a aerobatic plane a little bigger around 64 to 70 inch wingspan. I may need a new motor and that is fine. Has to be an arf, I just do not have the time to scratch build. Please recomend a plane and a engine that will work with it. Or if I can stay with my saito 82.
I will greatly appreciate your help.

Your YAK would be considered a 3'rd or 4'th plane by most mortals. At two months I could barely land a high wing trainer.

Good 'big' 40 sized plane will be the Fliton Extra 330 (or its Edge 540, Extra is prettier though), its 60" and she is a total all rounder plane. Just nice with the FA82.

warhwk - ssssshhhhh ... blame it on your tutor!!!

There are LOTS of options out there, perhaps a pertinent question migh be; how much do you want to spend?

Because bigger fly's better.....

But the price tag starts going up dramatically when you move up size wise. You say that you "may need a new motor and that's fine" but don't say how big or how much you'd like to spend.

I would suggest that you first decide based on your wallet, radio capabilities (i.e. bigger models usually have dual elevator servos and some mid range radios don't support that so other methods/solutions must be found) and where you want to go?

As I said there are lots of options, but generally speaking as you start getting into some bigger stuff and want an aerobatic model the Yaks/Edges/Extras from various manufacturers are the way most folks go.

fellers,

I would suspect you would wand to jump up to a 90 size airplane. Here are some suggestions that would work great. I would recommend the mighty 110 for an engine in any of these planes. The Saito 150 would work nicely also.

Sig Mayhem 3D 90 size (Tower Hobbies)
Great Planes UCD 60 size (Tower Hobbies) Most fun of any plane I've owned. Just fun to fly. Will do anything 3d.
Velox www.maxairrc.com Best flying plane in this class bar none. Great buy. Super KE and wonderful flyer.
Showtime 4D (Horizon Hobbies) Nice plane but mine snapped like crazy. I finally gave it away.
Funtana 100X (Horizon Hobbies) I had the 90 size and hated it. This one is supposed to be better.
Fusion 90 size. (OMP) Profile. Hard to assemble but worth it. Nice flying plane. Very fun.

All of the above are great choices. If you want the best flyer...go with the Velox. If you want to just have fun...go with the UCD.

Thanks
Barry

Ok, understandable. I am willing to put 1500 into the plane and engine no radio gear. I will be switching to the spektrum 9 ch. radio in a couple of months. Not sure if it is capable of the functions I need because I'm not sure what those are...
I was figuring around 8 to 9 hundred for the plane if that. The rest for a power house engine.
Bigger flys better for sure ! In the helis as well...
What do you think of this Yak kit [link=http://ak-models.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AKM&Product_Co de=RM-37&Category_Code=RichModel_GasPower]Giant Yak 30%[/link]
So i guess I am looking for bigger than originally specified. This kit is under 500 and over 80" wing.

Ohhh......

NOW you're getting into an area that's got a whole new set of considerations rolled into the mix; Giant Scale gassers....

THE most important criteria for something like the link you posted is wing loading when you talk about a 50cc size gasser. That being said, way too many of the manufacturers are, shall we say? overly optimistic when quoting AFW (All Up Flying Weight) for these things.

Since you live in NY, I'm guessing that you'll have more room to work with on wing loading and power to weight ratio that Barry or I have due to the altitudes we live at so more model/engine combos become usable.

$1500 plus radio gear will get you state of art stuff in a 50cc size setup and the only bad part about moving into the gasser stuff is "once you go gas, you won't go back" and the price tag goes up very quickly.

Barry can tell you about AirWild which is probably the lightest of the bunch, but it's not cheap. QQ has his infamous Yak line that have excellent reputations but are a bit heavy for my area. My choice in the 50cc size that I"m putting together now is a 28% WildHare Extra (that's an 84" wing) which is a really nice ARF and at $429.00 plus a good quality hardware kit for another $75.00 is pretty hard to beat.

I started my gassers with the GP Patty Wagstaff Extra. It's one of the older ARF's and is a bit heavy as it's fully sheeted on a 78" wing span the wing loading is a bit high, but the model fly's extremely well when equipped with an adequate size engine in either a very large glow engine or a 50cc size gasser. The neat thing about Patty is that not only does the model fly lighter than it's weight might suggest, but since it's fully sheeted it will take quite a bit of punishment without breaking while you're learning to handle heavier, faster models. The downside to the lighter better perfoming 50cc size stuff is that they won't take as much abuse before making you pay the price.

I'd suggest you post something over in the Giant Scale 3D/Aerobatic forum about getting a first gasser and then hold on to your hat as you'll get a BUNCH of guys telling you that their particular setup is unquestionably the best. But you'll also get some really thoughtful posts with suggestions for your first model as well as engine selection which is another can of worms....

I've already given you my thoughts on a model and perhaps Barry will chime in again with his experiences and suggestions. I won't get into my engine preferences as that's a lot like the old Chevy/Ford/Dodge debate. After you've gotten some suggestions, you'll have a bunch of stuff to go look at and research. Trust me, the journey is worth it...

do what I do , when I picked my second plane , I forgot how to count , so I picked up 3 second planes in a matter of 4 months , this was you always have back ups for that first plane !!!!!!

Zeeb,
Thanks for the response. i will head over to the gasser giant scale forum.
Nice plane to! That is pretty much what I am looking to put in the air.

Your already flying it or more. Guess you might as well pick one you like the looks of? Put that Saito 82 in a 40 size WM P51 Mustang. It'll fit fine and have a hot little booger.

Flying it or more, you could say that. After learning on nitro helis and flying them for a while I could read a damn book and fly a plane.
They are cake! On my very first takeoff ten feet in the air I had the Yak torque rolling. So yeah I can fly a plane a little already.

Hi there fellers,
I looked at some of your other post. You have a CMP yak, so do I. It's really a crappy plane. Beautiful but crappy. If you want to use some of the same hardware you might think about the other style yak nitroplanes sells, the wood one. I think they have it listed as a yak 52. It's much lighter and lands far better. Not the super hot landing your used to. Or maybe even a Funtana. They fly great with a Saito 82. Nice and light but you have to keep the speed down or you'll fold it. Oh well, that's my two cents. Happy flying.

Yeah I do have to come in a bit hot with this yak. VERY VERY tail heavy to. I had to add over 100 grams to the front to get the CG right.

I will look into the wood one. It is pretty cheap. So with the funtana I would not be able to go full throttle without messing the airframe up or is that just on landing and keeping the speed down.

I am going to get a plane like the yak I have to replace the beat up one I have now and I am ordering a sukhoi 88" wingspan from wildhare rc 50cc gasser gonna be fun.

Don't like your yak eh?
I really have nothing to compare it to as I learned on this plane.

Fellers,
The funtana is more of a slow flyer than anything. It will do some amazing stuff but won't put up with major wing loading. I blew the wing off the first one I had. As far as landing, it's a real ***** cat. In a light head wind "5-7 mph" I can just about do a vertical landing. It will stop mid air and let me bring it strait down. First plane I ever had that was light enough to do that. Such gental landings are wonderful. One thing to keep in mind is that if you do bring it in hot and rough you will tear the landing gear out. I tore mine out on take off on a grass field. Very little provacation and the gear will try and fall off.
The all wood yak is close in performance to the funtana but again a little fragile.
As far as the CMP is conserned.... tail heavy is normal. Snap happy is normal. Very little elevator and it's going belly up. However, as much as I dispise it, it will do the greatest flat snap I've ever seen. It will snap roll, knife edge and spin great but it's heavy, hard to fly well and lands like a pig. Very hard plane to learn on but it's super tough. All that fiberglass is good for something.
Sukhoi. Rad! Very very cool plane. With a 50 it will go vertical with major athority. But expensive. If you've got the money and feel comfortable with it... More power to ya. Personally, having flown the life out of a cmp..... I'd fly a desent plane first befor I messed with the Sukhoi. The wood yak or a funtana are good planes and will give you some good experance. Besides, if you stuff it your not out a ton of money. But that's your choice, if you can even keep that CMP in the air... your a pretty good pilot.