Looking at either one of these for a second plane to learn more aerobatic moves. This will join my Worlds SuperSport 40 that I've had for a few years and do basic aerobatic moves.

Which would make a better second plane? Thanks!

I saw a Tango earlier today, and would probably recommend a Twist. The Tango looks like it could get you into trouble quicker, because of its large wing area, short wing span, full symmetry, and HUGE control surfaces. I would advise getting a Tiger 2 or Sig Four-Star over either of these models. Yes, many people say that a Twist is easier to land than a trainer. But it's also less forgiving of errors and is very twitchy. The name says everything about these 3D variants: The Twist is designed to TWIST and the Tango is designed to TANGO, if you know what I mean. Most everybody who owns a twist have told me that they have exponential dialed in at 50% on high rates, which tells me a considerable amount of what can be expected with one of these. Too much elevator when you're too low to the ground is going to nose in a Twist inverted before you have time to react if it's not set up right. Twists can slam down hard on all threes without sufficient airspeed during landing, because they don't stall but fall like a brick. This can overstress the gear and crack the fuse just behind the wing (yes it can, it has happened to good pilots too). You will want to reinforce that when you assemble the ARF.

NorfolkSouthern

I don't agree whith you norfolk about the 4* that is the route I took and I bought the twist and set up with flaps and elevator mixing I can land this plane on a dime. The 4* is a good plane if all you want to do is round the round. If this person has quite a bit of stick time on a trainer , can to good basic arobatics and can land with ease I see no reason to go with the 4*. The Twist would be a better second plane. I have 35% expo dialed in this set up works great with me I also fly on high rates all the time unless I want to do more scale like flying and then I step down to low rates. you are also right about the elevator. I recommend low rates for this until you are ready to progress to wild stuff.I just started a year and a half ago and after the trainer a built the 4* kit but have never really warmed up to it like i have the twist. I guess I put about a dozen flights on the 4* and have retired it to hang on the wall. I have no problem recommending the twist as a second plane if the pilot has plenty of stick time on a trainer. Just my 2 cents!!!!

If you go with the twist spend the extra time to put some epoxy on the landing gear plate as this is a well known weak spot . An Os 46ax with a 12.25x3.75 prop works great with this plane due to the oversized control serfaces this plane is not designed for speed . also an 1100mah battery put as far forward and Dubro 3" foam wheels sets it up high enough to clear the ground makes a nice set up

Twist, Twist, Twist,

I have the Twist 150 with a Saito 150 in it and it is the most fun plane I have ever flown. I has unlimited verticle and I love the was it snaps and spins.

Gibbs

Y'all got it wrong. Just go buy a Mojo and be done with it. You are wasting your money on crap from H9 that is marketed to the "3D" modeler. If you really want a good second plane, get a Mojo and keep the rates mellow. When you get 'er figgered out, high rates on, and HOLD ON!!

www.swanyshouse.com Go there. I dare you. Don't fall victim to the H9 marketing department!!!

Thanks for the reply everyone. Yeah, I'm pretty proficient with landing, take offs and pretty basic aerobatics (loops, rolls, inverted flight, etc). I'm getting a lot better with the crosswind landings. Anyhow, after reading the posting about the Tango being a handful in the wind, how does the Twist do in the wind? I'll probably watch the Tango thread over the next week or so and place an order, but right now, the Twist looks to be the next choice.

BTW, I have a new TigerShark .56 motor that I thought I'd throw in the new plane.

I visited the Knifeedge forums, and downloaded the Mojo for RealFlight 3.5. Here's the link:

http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/down...o=file&id=3093

The plane is extremely responsive, yet handles very well and goes where ever it's pointed. If the physics of RealFlight is as accurate as they say, then the Mojo is definitely worth considering. I have never seen any other plane on that sim that would allow you to give full right or left aileron and just watch it SWIM across the sky. It'll do that all day, as long as the finger's on that stick all the way.

My question: Does the REAL Mojo ARF act the same way as the one on the simulator?

NorfolkSouthern

I'm beginning to think this is where "swanyshouse" does all it's advertising. I saw this same link on the Tango thread.

Just say you might buy a Tango and all the "pro bros" will jump on you with their Mojos. They must have stock in "swanyshouse".

I don't want to just hover a plane all the time "bros". That's not fun flying to me. Just my opinion.

The true test to see if the sim Mojo flies as well is to buy a Mojo. No matter what, you won't be disappointed. If I remember correctly, a bro made the Mojo for the sim and took his time perfecting the physics to mimic his Mojo. The real Mojo will just about do everything. There are other profiles from other good designers that took after the Mojo and did some things better. Nothing is as well rounded as a Mojo.

I like the word Mojo today. Fun times.

Yes, I do have stock in Swany's house. He's a bro too.

the****************** dot com would be a great place to ask the question.

It's taken me a while to think about your response, lrglnman. But I must admit you do have a point in regards to sport pilots. I have an OS 46 AX engine, and looked at a Tango. I think that high-wing will be a good use for it. I just like the idea of having something that's slower, and will not have a tendancy to stray as far. I can reserve the speed burners for cheap engines and gear, but I really want to reserve my expensive stuff to something that'll do what I want, won't wander, and is reasonably forgiving.

Another one I thought about is the .46 sized U-Can-Do, and I believe the smallest engine for that is a .32 sized. It may do well with my .40 LA, since I might retire a trainer that's seen more than enough flights.

NorfolkSouthern

Norfolk I read a post in the Tango forum from Mike Mconnville and he stated that the twist and the Tango will fly very close to each other with a few exceptions. of corse the high wing verses the low wing. but he stated that neither plane was a extreame 3d plane. and each plane does its own thing. I think the Tango is a neet looking plane and will probally get one. but my heart is in my seagull ultimate and my twist now. I have seen the MOJO fly and there is no exception to this line of planes. Paul Swaney makes a great product line and of course they will perform any heavy 3d trick in the book. These Planes defy all physics of flight. but here is the trick to the profiles. Weight. these things are light as a feather and way over powered . but they have to be to do the crazy stuff these folks are doing with them. I may add one of them to my hanger as my skills get better. but you are right the 4* is a good plane as is the H9 pulse.I like the looks of the Pulse better and should fly very close to the same. All though the Tango might be a cool setup with a set of floats.[8D]

Looking at the Tango ARF, I really do like the simple setup. Not only that, but standard ST47 JR servos can work fine with it, according to the instructions. It just makes the setup more affordable. I most definitely have it in mind, and will probably purchase it the first part of November. A Sig Four Star is still a possibility for me, as I should find some use for that 40 LA engine besides letting it collect dust. I ruled out the U-Can-Do because it requires very expensive high-torque servos, which are cost prohibitive for me.

NorfolkSouthern

They're both really nice planes, especially for the price. I would probably lean toward the Tango for myself; I think it's a uniquely whimsical design.

The Twist is a nice, competent design, but it's not really all that different from the Dazzler, Uproar, or Magic Extra 300. I like the cartoonish styling of the Tango as a fresh and original design.

There is such a big sea of Pitts, Ultimates, Extras, Caps, Edges, U-Can-Dos, Accipiter Badius's, Flat Outs, Profiles, war birds, and on and on. Eventually, everything looks the same and it gets old after a while. I do believe that Hangar 9 is marketing the Tango more towards those who want something new, and fresh that's not too difficult to put together, yet looks different and unique. It just adds a bit of color to a whole world of sameness.

The Pizazz was very much the same way, something new and different that once appealed to many people, invoking the president of one club in Minnesota to design a set of plans for that particular make and model, because it has become such a classic. Although the Tango may not reach the volume of people the Twist does, I am very sure that it will develope a cult following among those who find it appealing.

NorfolkSouthern

I agree, the Tango is definitly going in my hanger soon. looks like a flap conversion to me

I think this was covered already but the Twist and Tango use the same wing. The the Pulse XT is probably a better choice for a 2nd airplane in general, but that depends on the individual.

Understood Mike. In this particular case, the original poster is already flying a World Models Super Sports 40. This is a low wing sport plane design that is very similar to the Pulse XT. He is looking for a good "third" plane to be his second plane.