tele1974

Can you cut the mount in half to open it up and make it work.

barney11

I have this kit with a crrc26 in it. I was looking for more oomph & was going for a DLE30 when one of my mates says why not spend a few more notes and get a 55!.
Physically it will fit but just wondering what the plane will handle like. I will take anyones 2c before I buy, just worried that it will make the plane fly heavy. Anyone already done this??

gibatta

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Hello Barney:
I did it! Put on it a DLE 55)it is a nice flying plane with that engine (I fly at 14000 feet above sea level), but:

1.- you have to consider by changing your landing gear; (with a 22x8 propeller) you will destroy the propeller on each landing (I used a taller carbon fiber landing gear)
2. It is a must to reinforce the fuselage (with 1/16 plywood), your batteries need to be down the fuselage, structure will not support that weight on the back, fuselage is not strong! refer to this link http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_gu...fm?kit_id=5252 and also this one: http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...500#reviewsTab

Total weight with that engine comes up to 13.5 lbs

Regards

cloudancer03

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if you are looking for honest feedback IMHO you will not be happy.I had mine with a dle30 and that is more than sufficent.I know some have had good results with a 43cc..you can do whatever you want but a 55dle is way way too much for that ship.

In my view lighter is better an os 1.60 or a satio 180 which I also had gives vertical performance.my only complaint was that for outright 3d aggresive performance the plane is a tad to heavy.as I recall it weighes fully assembled somewhere around 12 pounds or more with gas in it.

If your just looking for sport flying this a great plane and will easily do alot of tricks.but a 55dle will just make it tooheavy ..

cloudancer03

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I read his post but I still think its an airframe perfectly suited for a dle30 up to a 40cc.you best pin the at fire wall and really make sure critical joints are reinforced.a good 30cc plane shouldnt weigh more than 10.5 to11 max. and there are some great 30cc planes like mywildhare edge or aeroworks or a redwing MX2.all weighing around 10 max!

tele1974

We are demanding more and more out of our planes and for good 3d. Now a 2.5:1 thrust ratio is recommended. That would be 30 pounds of thrust.. the DLE will do maybe 18 lbs. A ZDZ40cc on a carbon pipe will do 28 lbs. The DLE 55 will definitely do 30 but the wing loading is going up. The DLE will fly it great on a 18x10 prop. You would need to carry some air speed into verticals if your flying a IMAC sequence. Flying 3d the DLE on a 18x6 is the ticket. Plenty of pull.
The Seagull on a DLE55... I gotta see some video of that rocket ship... got video?

barney11

No video unfortunately! at the minute i'm just considering which to go for. I had originally been going for the 30 until someone said "what if?" and I've been changing my mind every 2 days since!
The 26 I have in the kit at the minute just does't have the power for verticals like sharks tooth or square loops, add in a roll in the upline & it dies.
I'm not 3d flyer, just wanting to improve my aerobatics, I'm currently at imac basic level which the current set up would barely do & it wasn't pretty! definitely not an option to move to the next level with the current power plant, plus it is a pig to start which doesn't encourage me to go fly!
I know this kit is a bit heavier than many 25% kits out there, my last was a peakmodel Yak54 which was about 10.5lbs, the extra is currently a bit over 12lbs, which is no bad thing as it holds the line better in the wind, just needs more oomph!
I'm also unlikely to have the space to keep 50cc sized models in the next couple of years, so upgrading to bigger models is not currently an option.

tele1974

I flew my Extreme Flight Extra 300 78" in my first IMAC contest this summer in basic. The wind blew up and I was wishing that I had my Seagull with.

40cc options: ZDZ 40, CRRC 40, MLD-35, MT-35.

I had the MT-35 in mine and it pulls it straight up. I will sell you mine if you want it. Cheap. I had Jodi at valleyview upgrade the hub and woodriff key, and install fiberglass reads. Right now I have it on my EF Extra on a EScomposite pipe and it will turn a 18x6 9000 rpms plus. My EF Extra is really heavy at 14.5 pounds so I hope to install something different. The MT will out pull the DLE 30 on the low end.

cloudancer03

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well everyone has an opinion but the dle55 on a 180 plane is crazy.there are more and more lightweight 30cc or 25 percent planes on the market than even a year ago..I love my dle and about to maiden it in a wildhare baby edge 540.I like the edges alot and this one promises to be a great one afriend of mine just got a goldwing extra.sharp looking and fantastic flyer.

mikedoo3

Considering getting this plane and a DLE30,

I'm a gas beginner, I read some of the posts and was wondering

-Seems like you have to move the tank to the wing tube and mount the tank sideways,
does that cause any problems with fuel pick up??

-Do you center the engine over the hole in the firewall or offset??
Is it safe to use spacers under the standoffs for thrust?

-Not sure about strengthening the firewall, can you just use balsa triangle pieces
behind the firewall or is that not enough. I don't know about pinning and fiberglass and all that

cloudancer03

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strenghten the firewall by pinning it with small dowels.maybe you dont have to but I was taught that and its simple to do.the 180 is a good choice.who said you have to turn the tank sideways?theres lots of room to install a 12 ounce tank and set it up with life battery packs.its a nice plane as a beginner gasser.if your planning to do simple IMAC or sport flying you wont be disappointed.as an all out agressive 3D its a tad to heavy at 12 plus pounds.sure you can spend some money to lighten it but dont .just build it and have fun .I did!my second plane is a wildhare 540and weighes 2 pounds less with a dle30..thers a few videos on you tube if you type in seagull180..when I was looking way back I saw some flying the plane with mld 35 and 43 cc.

darkith

The firewall already has tabs that lock into the fuse, so I didn't drill and pin.
The tank can be left where it is, I did. I kept the stock tank and just replaced the stopper with a gas one.
Watch your wiring and electrical with all those vibrations. That's where I went wrong and have had issues (chafing on cowl or firewall, ignition detaching from sticky foam despite nytie, wires breaking at solder joints in switches). Nearly lost the plane to the last problem...

Flies fine stock; though mine seems to have too much downthrust.

D.

HeavyDD

I have the 260 on the bench pulled the lead filled zen 26 out and have a dle 30 wih a 18x8 ready to put in. Now the questions.

1 my fire wall has offset in it. The 26 was offset to the right from the hole in the firewall sitting in the cockpit . My cowl was loose the last flight and not sure if it is straight.
How do I know where to put the dle on the firewall? None of the 2 sets of holes are close to lining up ?

2 I want to get rid of the 1700 ni-mh and maybe run a battery eliminator of the 2500 lipo. Is that a good idea?

3 where did you put you lipo so you can get at it easy? I was thinking about building a little deck behind the fuel tank to velcro it to.

Thanks D

cloudancer03

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one thing I learned this time is the carb can be rotated 180 degrees.that may or may not help you decide where you want the throttle.I found with the standoffs that come with the DLE30 the throttle stop screw was too close to the standoff .you can remove it .
I switched to a life battery with a separate UBE from syassa aircraft.it allows me to use a single battery but that is controversial.many other pilots will advise youto use 2 batteries ...one one the igntion and the other for your onboard rx.that decision is entirely yours to make.

one thing to make sure is the wires etc.use heavy 22 guage extensions and use a good switch!!!again some pilots will tell you you need a power box to evenly distrubte the power to the servos *****g the available torque.I am assuming your using a 6v power supply .

but you know what??just keep it simple and go have fun!!too many critics giving too much info..I hear you with the G26.I love zenoahs but they are so heavy.If weight is not an issue when you fly gas zens are rugged and always reliable.but I like light engines for aerobatic and 3D.To be honest the satio 180 on the seagull will pull that plane up and out of sight.

HeavyDD

I putting a 1100 in it for ignition till I order what I need. I have a order sitting in Winnipeg of 645 hitecs for everywhere.
I'm just wondering where the motor sits on the fire wall as I don't have the manual and can't find it online.

darkith

I lined mine up mostly by eye and then drilled using the template in the dle30 thread. I think I aimed to keep the thrust washer centered in the cowl, with the cowl mounted as square as I could get it. With the side carb, it was a pretty easy fit.

My Turnigy 18x8 was too small on the dle30. Had to use a 19x8 or 18x10. Other brands or different altitudes may still be fine

I also went with a single battery, a 2300mah life/A123. Direct voltage to my servos and RX (both rated for it) and a 5v vreg to power the ignition. Battery is on the decking just behind the fuel tank. I charge in the plane since the LiFe are supposed to be safer.

D.

cloudancer03

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if you can find your thrust line you can pretty much determine where the motor should sit.but the oldeyeball can work as a last resort.I dont recall if it needed any offset or downthrust.

HeavyDD

The motor box has offset in it.

cloudancer03

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its been a while lol.thats good.

HeavyDD

Got the motor mounted in the centre of the air frame, locktited most of the wires ziptied in. Just have to drill the prop and mount the batteries in behind the firewall to balance and fire it upto start break in.

Now the sparkplug wire is long do I have to make sure it doesn't touch the stand offs?

cloudancer03

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I am not sure .I have seen some cable tie the wire to the standoff but I think someone else needs to jump in.if you can avoid it I would.

HeavyDD

Got it all mounted I'm going to wait till winter to move the fuel tank under the wing tube. My fire wall was all ready strengthened before I bought it. I don't like the lack of room in it to mount gear doesn't make it look neat.
I have the CG at the back of the wing tube 5 5/8.
Going to start breaking in the dle tonight after work have her maiden at the kenora fun fly next weekend.

cloudancer03

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once you start up that dle you'll want to fly as soon as possible.the one thing I learned with my dle30 is that theres not much to breaking it in.just startit let it run and make sure you have a reliable idle and you dont have to tweak the high end .after a tank go fly!but dont do anyhigh end aerobatics just yet.fly it gently and stay close to the runway if it cuts out.after a few tanks bore some holes in the sky.I love aerobatic hence the name cloudancer.

HeavyDD

Good to know. Thanks cloudancer I can't wait till wed to put it in the air. I am looking into some carbon fiber landing gear for it

HeavyDD

How do you figure out your landing gear? Mine are sagged pretty good on hobby king and other sites they just say 150 mm or 6 inches. Is that width hight from the ground width of the fuse?