jeffie8696

If it cost that much more as a percentage shouldnt it be more like a .70 size?

hsukaria

I would think that the 60 would cost $149 and the 90 would cost $189? But what do I know?

jeffie8696

That sounds more like it.

oldvet70

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I think you miss the point on a 60 size. There is more to increase the cost then just Balsa. New marketing, decreased sales in the 40 size is possible, the 60 will never approach the sales numbers of the 40. Plus it would still be relatively inexpensive compared to many other 60 ARF's
. A Pulse XT 60 is $209, Shoot a Saratoga 40 ARF is $224. No $189 won't be out of line if that is the REAL price in the end. As for an included cowl, I doubt most people buying the 40 ever wanted one unless they fly electric and I'd bet it's the same on a 60. The cowl has to be cut up too much for a glow engine, in my opinion, and detracts from the otherwise nice basic look of the plane.

Kostas1

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TimBle

a .60 size will be perfect and I hope it comes with a cowl. Hopefully it will allow for an ipside down engine mounting so that minimal cutting is required.
A pattern style optional wing will go down very well too, instead of an optional cowl (should be std)

Its a really attractive plane that could take one from 2nd plane right up to ....?

Irish_Santa

I just watched the short video on great planes website for the current Escapade and watched very closely.  Interesting enough is that the tail wag everyone here is talking about, my self included, is evident in the video.

I have been looking at this and doing some thinking.....with mine the tail is epoxied and has a lot of weight in front. I wonder if the problem could be with the open cowl/cheek area being to open or maybe the engine selection range being to large for the size of the plane....I remember someone saying that this plane is actually the size of a large 20 instead of a 40...just something to think about.

I did figure out the weight/balance issue somewhat.  I checked the gp cg machine up and down left and right....found that the ruler provided was off measurement  by about 1/4 on one side and 3/8 on the other....pretty big difference I think...called tower and they sent me a new set of rulers....they are awsome.

flown the plane through a tank of fuel so far and love it...in a slight wind I can point it into the wind and reduce throttle to 2 or 3 clicks and stop it in mid air....slows way down on landings too...the main landing gear is too flimsy but it is $99 so no sweat...the the only bad caracteristic to me seems to be the tail wag but that's in the process of being looked into.

happy flying,
Jerry

TimBle

Glad you have it sorted out.

Mine tail wags as well. can't be stopped. I've fitted Dubro ball links to all control horns and the tail wag remains. it is an aerodynamic issue not a mechanical one.

also, if flying this plane with an OS 46 Ax, you will need to add 1mm washer under the left hand side of the engine mount bolts and the firewall to increase the right thrust. It will not hold a vertical line without the altered thrust angle.

enjoy the plane, she is a keeper.

PS: landing gear too flimsy?? Practise the touch and goes , they're plenty strong enough and with sufficient spring. Best gear I'have had on an ARF yet.

Kwikfli

I recently bought a Escapade from a friend that had a OS 55AX in it. In my humble opinion that is to much engine for this plane. The first time I flew it I thought I had a missle. Finished the flight at 1/3 throttle. Will be putting one of my trusty old K&B .40's on it. Should make it a lot better flying plane. (My eyesight and relexes aren't what they used to be is the reason change.) The roll rate on high is eomething else, almost hard to keep up with it. Other than my failings it is a great little plane.

TimBle

LOL yes it does have an extremely high roll rate on full throws. way to fast to feed in elevator or rudder. Its just yank and bank. it will also get you a lot of trouble if you hit the rudder too hard. it flat spins beautifully but easy to recover if you don't loose your head.

agree, a 55 is way too much engine for it. even with the .46 on it the wings fel warm just after landing  

mschulz531

I saw the Escapade 60 at the Hobby Show in Chicago last weekend. It looked pretty good to me...one thing I noticed was a one piece landing gear.
Don't remember seeing a cowl.
My first thought when I saw it hanging from the GP booth was "wow...that plane seems bigger than the Escapade's that Ive seen at our field!
Then I talked to a guy at the booth who told me yes, it was a new offering in the .60 size.
Not sure if it's worth the additional cost when there are many other options in the 60 size range to choose from.
Wonder how this thing would fly with a DLE-20 on the nose?!

TimBle

maybe an RCGF 15cc is more appropriate. I wonder when Great Planes will update their website?

so now theres a 40 size escapade and revolver
and a 60 size escapade and revolver.

jeffie8696

A .60 size Epade is great but for almost twice the money?

billmay

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With the current TowerHobbies offer of free shipping plus the $10 rebate from GP, I'm ready to pull the trigger on the Escapade for my first "real" plane after learning to fly on a 48" electric foamy. Just curious where in that video you are seeing the tail wag that everyone is talking about. Can you provide the time point in the video that you're seeing it so I know what to look for?

Thanks.

Bill

jeffie8696

Ihave checked the GP site and from the vids I see there is no tial wag evident but when flying mine does have some wag at lower speeds. When you put some speed on it goes away.

hsukaria

Could the tail wag be a result of the engine cowl cheeks vibrating? Or a weak/twitchy rudder servo? I haven't noticed tail wag on mine.

I used to get a funny wiggle, but that was due to the wing mounting tab being smaller than the slot, causing the wing to be very slightly loose. I spread epoxy on the wing mounting tab and then sanded it down to fit snuggly in the mounting slot. But I don't think that is what people are talking about.

oldvet70

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The current price listed for the Escapade at Tower is $109.98. 2 times $109.98 = $219.96 much higher than the estimated $189.00 for a .60 sizs

hsukaria

Ok, we are arguing about a few $$$, maybe not important at first glance. But at the $190 (or is it $189.99?), you can also purchase a scale warbird, some with retracts included, or a biplane. What I'm trying to say is, the price of the 60 Escapade now forces somebody like me to look at a lot of other options. But that is not the case with the 40 Escapade, not many 40 size ARFs for $100 to $110 that are very attractive.

oldvet70

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That  is always the case, The Escapade when introduced was a bargain. The price has crept up some but then again what hasn't. The point is you are not going to be buying a 60 size one for only a few dollars more. That it might come close in price to many other planes I don't think really matters much. I'd say it will be marketed to people who either bought the original and want a bigger version or people who thought the original was too small and did not buy one, much like what happened with the Revolver which is very popular in both sizes. Wanting something to be inexpensive is not a bad thing, heck I'd like it all to be free, but wanting it won't make it happen.

jeffie8696

Irealize price also depends on volume. They are going to sell a lot more .40 size than .60 size just because it is a cheaper size to own.
But Idont have to be happy about it. For example a SIG4 Star .40 is half the price of a 4 Star .60 however the .60 is only a few bucks cheaper than a 4 Star 1.20.
Iwant one of each.

Icould handle one of these too. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...nt=Cap23275-91

Irish_Santa

here is the link for the downloadable video

http://video1.hobbico.com/gallery/gp...200-flying.mpg

check out segment aroud :04 and :27

in regards to the the new 60 size escapade price.....perhaps no one considered that the $190 price is just a preliminary suggested price not the actual full production retail price which to me seems like it would bring the price down to $150 or so

in regards to the power plant i did hear someone on this forum installed a .25 la....I would love to hear back from that pilot to see if they have seen the tail wag...I really think the problem is a combination of both the open cheeks and too large of a suggested power plant option.

the tail wag is not something that is really an issue even on high rates at full throttle or the complete opposite.

Happy Flying,

Jerry

tms96460

Jerry,
The link is not working, could not find info when searching.

Tim

Suisun, CA

oldvet70

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Jerry,

I installed an OS .25FX in one and it has the same tail wag as my wifes, hers has an OS 46FX in it. With the 25 it is a much more gentle plane that does not just go zipping around, you must fly it 'on the wing'. I sold that one to a friend when he saw what a difference less displacement meant. But like I said the tail wag and the whistle were still present.

jeffie8696

Ifind a .36 is plenty. It will even take off from grass. Mine wags some even with the smaller engine.

N1EDM

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I'm just finishing up an electric conversion, with an Axi 4120 and a 4200 mAh battery. I wonder if I'm going to have the same wag problems? I hope to have it maidened this weekend if the weather is nice. It also has a 3-blade Graupner prop on it.

In reading Kwikfli's post, I'd have to agree with him about the 55AX. I fly one with a 12x6 prop (which is under-propped) in another slightly heavier plane and I can't imagine putting that much power in this plane. If I were to make a glow version of this plane someday, I'd probably max out with a TT Pro 46 and a 11x6 prop...

Just my $.02

Bob