Phoenix Giles 202
 

Well I just got home from flying my Phoenix Giles 202. This is only my second plane, but I think I am in love. I got this to be my low wing trainer before I fly my UCD .60. The plane is a joy to fly, just a little different than a trainer when it comes to turns.... ALOT FASTER! I am new to this, but I feel like this model needs more power. I am running a Tower .46 with a 11X6 prop. The plane is slower than my trainer was with the same engine and prop, but it is heavier.. Does anyone have any good suggestions for a prop/engine combo that would be better for this plane? Also can someone reccomend a better tail gear for this plane? Since I land on grass the stock bends every time.

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If your flying that giles the UCD .60 will be a snap for you, A friend has the Phoenix Sukhoi with a OS 52 4-stroke and his needs more power too, I am planning on getting the giles too for my YS 62FZ but that can be a bit pricey but I have read that the saito 72 is also a good match if you want to try a 4-stroke if you want 2-stroke there are many 50 ish engines that would be a drop in replacment for your 46 also you could try a 12x4 prop, it would slow it down a little but give you much better climb with your 46

Hope this helps you some
Dauntae

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Try an 11x5 APC prop too. Speed won't really be effected, but you should notice more pulling power.

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I would try a O.S. .50 SX with a 13-6 or so. It's not that mutch more power, but with the right prop, it should give you unlimited vertical.

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YS 63 is the ticket.

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HEHE that's what I'm going to use :D

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OS 61FX

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hey

i think i emailed a few of you but your email addresses bear no resemblance to your usernames!
as some of you may know, i have just received the kit of the phoenix giles202. The motor i had selected (because i got a deal!) is the Magnum 61RFS 4stroke. But when i sat it on the metal engine mount, the rear mounted carby stops it from sitting close enough to the firewall.
I think I have either 2 options:
1) get a new plastic composite mount to suit the 4stroke
2) get a 2 stroke motor!!

I really like the idea of the 'slow sounding" 4 stroke and i think the 61 would be a good combination for the Giles as the recommended size is a 40-46 2 stroke.

Will the weight be a problem? I think the magnum 61 weighs almost 40% more than a 40 2stroke, and if it has to sit further forward, then i am going to need some lead in the tail. And from reading the posts, it seems that the Giles is already heavy enough with a high enough wing loading as it is.

Id appreciate your thoughts people..........

my email is
[email protected]

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Mike,
What's the Magnum weigh? I know that a Saito .72 is only slightly heavier than an OS or TT .46.........
If the Magnum really is that heavy, you might need to worry about the weight.....I don't have the Giles, but I have the Phoenix Sukhoi SU-31, and I had to move the radio gear and battery to the rear of the radio compartment to balance it with a TT Pro .46 up front....

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The Saito72 is slightly lighter than the Pro46, but pretty much equal to the 46FX and AX. The Mag61 is actually lighter than the TT and OS 46 2c's so I wouldnt worry about that.

baxternick

Have you checked out the new Mag XLS 52 2Stroke? One of the guys I fly with is getting one for his Phoenix Sukhoi. How much does your Giles weigh? I have the Sukhoi with a Pro46 and APC 11x5 prop and its a rocket, I also tried a APC 11.5x4 and it slowed down alot but gave it a little more pulling power, I tried a 11x7 MA wood prop, but didnt like it very much, I went back to the 11x5 APC.

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I am looking for a link to phoenix. A local club member bought one of these used, got it ready to go and crashed it on the first flight. Broke the fuse in half right above the wing saddle, AND the wing in half. I am looking for a new canopy for the airplane. I gave the remains to a friend and he has it ready to go again except for the canopy.

Any info would be great!!! thanks

Cody

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Call towers/great planes for spare parts info. They sell the planes, they may sell parts also.

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I bought both the Giles and the Sukhoi in the clearance sale. Started the Sukhoi w/ the GMS .47 and it was a good flying plane. Had good vertical, but I wanted to try a four stroke, because I love the sound, and WOW. The Saito .72 performs awesome on this plane. Vertical is much better and overall power is effortless and awesome.

Have about a dozen flights on it now with the new combo and I can't say enough.


I may try my first YS in the Giles soon... aways wanted a YS-63 to play around with.


-Steve

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I just recieved my giles today and looked through the kit.very nice kit but I am not sure on the aileron setup.the manual shows the servo on the outside of the wing.it looks like it is suposed to mount on its side.but I am not sure how this is done.how about some help

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sounds like you got the same kit as me. The instruction manual is an older manual and the kit you have is updated.
You are right; the servos lay on their side on the ply plate and the control horn pokes through the slot... simply cut the supplied wire rod and clevis to attach to the aileron. To mount the servo to the ply plate, there should be some hardwood blocks in the plastic bags (with little slots at the bottom for the servo wire to pass through). i simply epoxied them on the ply and then mounted and screwed the servos to those.

What engine are you going to use?

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Thanks for the info.I thought that was the way it was supossed to go.The kit showed up yesterday and I cant believe the covering job on it.I can't hardly find a wrinkle on it.Hopefully it will be flying thi next week.I already started a Taco 2 and now its work on this model half a hour then switch to the other.(God life is hard..)

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mikedsilva,

The specs on the Mag .61RFS 4stroke say 15.2 oz. I just weighed mine and my gram scale puts it at 14.5 oz with muffler and propnut. It is probably a little lighter than most .40/.46s.

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I screwed up and lost the plans that came with my Phoenix Giles 40 and do not know what the C.G. is supposed to be and where you measure from.Can anyone tell me what it is supposed to be? Thanks

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Kenny, my giles book says 3.3/4 to 4.1/8 back from the leading edge..in the center of the wing,considering the sweep back. :D ;)
Ian from down under.

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Baxternick,

I also have the Phoenix Giles 202 and have planned on installing a Tower .46. However, when I test fitted the engine, the muffler was way too big and was hitting the underside of the plane. Did you have this problem, and if so, what did you do about it?

Thanks for any help,

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Hi , get yourself a pitts style muffler :D ;)

Ian from down under.

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Thanks, Ian,

I was hoping I could figure out a way to do it without the Pitts Muffler, but I quess that's the way I'll have to go.

Thanks again,

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I am working on a Phoenix Giles for a guy at our field who has crashed it twice and now want's me to figure it out. It seems on take off that the plane doesn't want to come off the ground and when it does it goes vertical and he get's nervous and chops the throttle and piles into the bushes at the end of the runway. I wasn't a witness to these 2 flights but the guy isn't a bad pilot. I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet but all the incidence look ok and the CG is at about 4" with at 61 magnum 4 stroke on it. Any ideas before I start chopping on this thing. I haven't checked what kind of throw he had in it yet either. Just doing some preliminary investegation with you guys that are flying them.

Thanks in advance.

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diggs_74, this is uncanny!
I have the same plane and am attempting to use the same motor with the same problems!

When using the magnum, twice i ran out of runway and ended up rolling into the long grass and tipping over.
When it finally gets into the air (luck) it wallows around the sky with a "tail -down " stance.

I have also tried the same plane with my OS 46FX. It gets of the ground better and will fly "ok" with full throttle but i have to keep the speed up in the turns.

I thought the magnum didnt work because it wasnt fully run in, so i ran the magnum in properly and wanted to re-try it (i like the sound of a 4 stroke)

Same problem; not enough power, or so it would seem.
Twice the plane tip-stalled on me and i only just recovered it.

My Giles with magnum and radio gear (minus fuel) weighs 6.25pounds ( i am not sure about the wing area).

My conclusion is that the plane is too heavy for its small size, or that it needs a larger motor with a lot more authority.

Seeing as i havent got a bigger engine yet, i am flying something else with the magnum (56inch span) which pulls almost unlimited vertical (only weighs 4.25pounds!)

I have never crashed the Giles (lucky again) but it is in the garage doing nothing!

mike

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Gday Mike, The wing area is 3.5 sq ft which says at 6-1/4lbs = 28.5oz-sq ft...heavy !!
while I havent flown mine yet , it sounds like we need more power/speed.
it might help to wash the ailerons out a bit to help with tip stall.
ALSO there is a WEAK area in the fuz sides at the cockpit start ,where the wing rest is highest, beef up the sides with a 5 ply 1/8" doubler thru the whole wing seat area.
I'm going to take the MAGNUM 53 2st out of mine and go for a 60 2st or a 90 4st.....heavy planes have to fly faster.




We must have had an "EARTHQUAKE"

The ground rose up and hit my plane :eek: