Hangar 9 Tango Arf
 

This thread is meant to be a replacement to the original removed thread. Please keep it on topic.

RE: Hangar 9 Tango Arf
 

Thanks,

The Tango is a great plane, Easy to put together, and will go where you point it. It will roll faster than any plane I have ever flowen. More 3D than a sport plane in my openion.

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So someone had posted about putting an LA65 in here. I'm in the same boat, I've got a TT GP61 I was thinking about putting in her. If it's as tail heavy as a Twist, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Weight wise, not much differance. Hanger 9 wants you to put in the NX .52. It is larger, but should fit just fine. I run a OS .46, and have to put the battery pack all the way in the front to have the CG in the mid range. I think it will be fine.
This was my post in the outher form.

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That be me....[8D]

I wasn't as much worried about the weight as I was the mounting space. The 65LA is prety wide setting beside a 46 size engine.
Maybe somebody can chime in with the inside and outside dimensions of the engine mounts to see if mine will fit.

Ronnie

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With between the checks 2.5" and 3.25" long.

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Length won't be any problem. The 65LA width is 2.437
Heck, that'll give me .063 to play with between cheeks. Thats about 1/32nd inch on each side. LOL


Ronnie

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Is there a possibility it will affect the center of gravity? I have a 55 AX, which is just slightly over the maximum engine size called for. Since I already have it, I may as well put it to use. How about prop clearance? Can a 13" prop work without having to alter the landing gear?

NorfolkSouthern

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The prop clearence should not be a issue.

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my tango is on the way. i am wondering, has any one flown a tango with a saito 82 on it? i am wondering if that is ample engine to hover this plane at about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle? also what do you think about a saito 100 on the tango( with alittle self control of course)?

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CG is not the determination of what engine can be used. You can always add weight or better yet shift weight. You can put a v8 in the nose and with enough weight in the tail make the cg right. As you can imagine, the needed weight to offset a v8 will make the plane too heavy to take off. The consideration then is wing loading. Wing loading is the total flying weight of the plane divided by the square foot area of the wing. As wing loading goes up the plane's stall speed goes up and its ability to "float" decreases.

The Tango has a published weight of 5.5 to 6 pounds. It also has a published 747 square inch of wing. Using the lower end of the weight this makes the wing loading about 17 oz per square foot. A good target weight per square foot for a sport plane is 20 oz per square foot. If the plane comes in as published it has a nice wing loading.

I would think that this size wing could support the above engine weights. What would help is if someone could give the weight of his plane without the engine. We then can add in the weight of the desired engine and do the math and see what the wing loading would be. A simple rule of thumb is 1 pound of plane for 100 square inches of wing, so you can see that the tango can support more weight and stay under 20oz per square foot.

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I always wanted to get a post deleted:


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ORIGINAL: baronpilot


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ORIGINAL: bubbagates

All right folks, I've had several complaints about this thread and I must say there are specific area of a lot of posts that are borderline insulting and degrading to quite a few people. I am politely asking that the name calling and such back off as well as the certain terms to peoples life style (ie where they live).

If this cannot stop and right now I will lock this thread as it would take way too much to clean it up. This will be the only warning and any threads that may be started if this thread does get locked will meet with the same fate once it goes off the deep end

Ok so lets get this back on the subject of the plane and keep it civil and well within the rules, thanks



This is the epitome of why this forum really doesn't allow freedom of speech. Let us bash our brothers opinions...we can buy them beer later. Who the heck is complaining about this thread? "Whah! My feelings got hurt. My Kadet felt like it was violated! Don't make the sponsors mad! Waaah! Waaah! Waaaaaaaaahh!"

Hesuse Christay. Rules.

This plane is a hunk of junk, and H9 is taking advantage of the innocent people that buy it!! Twist included!! We must stand up as an RC community and bash the non flying RC'ers that make up the marketing department, reaping profit sharing checks off of our subsequent decisions to buy their crap!

Stop the censorship threats just to placate your sponsors. They can post on here just as easy as I can (maybe, for not as long) to defend their sweatshops.

Just give me a real 3D plane...you can find them at the ****************** dot com. Come to the dark side. I dare you.





Ok. Everyone just buy a Mojo cause baronpilot says so.

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I haven't seen any follow-up psotings on the Tango with Saito .82. First off, I got the ARF and you dang near shake it out of the box 95% built. I tried to install a Saito 82 but the mount that comes with it and the achor nuts are not wide spaced enough so it ends up over 5 inches firewall to prop drive (manual calls for 4 inches). The next thing is the .82 with needle to the right puts the throttle link in the center so you need to install another throttle link over the tank. With the needle to the right side on the .82 the throttle hits the fuselage so you need to both cut out clearance and install another throttle link on the left side of the airplane. To use the installed throttle tube and ARF intructions, a two stroke is best. I decided to use the .82 on another airplane and intall a .55 AX. Using the two stroke means box to flying is only delayed by glueing the windshield.

I have not flown mine but did see one with a GMS 47 hovering, spinning and having fun so I think a good .46 up is all that is needed to enjoy.

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You can move the carb and put the throttle linkage on the other side.

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We have several Tangos at the field now. One is running a Saito .72 with no issues and it runs great! The .82 should be way good
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This is word for word my exact problems and solution !!!. I could not get the 82 on the dang plane without hacking it up and drastically altering the way it would fly. I ordered a 55 ax yesterday.
I really wanted this plane 4 strokin' but i get another plane this way :D:D

I tried to swap the car but it still doea not work well and the engine is to far forward. Oh well.

Any suggestions on a good plane to put my new 82 on???

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I'm going to use the Saito .82 on my Mojo 40. Swanny now has a Mojo 40 Arf in stock for people like me that don't build so good. [link=http://www.swanyshouse.com/mojoARF/mojoARF.aspx]Swanny Mojo 40 Arf[/link].
Even in this Tango thread the Mojo 40 gets raves for from the ProBros. I'm for all types of planes - Mojo, Tango, Twist, Funtana, U-Stick, UCD 46, Sukhoi 120, foamies, SE5 GP Electric, T-Rex-450, Blade, and more. No need to bash anything - try what ya like.

To mount the OS 55, one thing that has to be carved or modified some is a little dip on the top of the fusealge for the new OS 55 needle valve to mount in in the Tango. I used Sulivan yellow cable with a ball link and the throttle runs great through the factory installed guide tube. I'm ready to fly - 5 lbs 6 oz with all JR DS811 servos (had them sitting around), Spectrum full range 6 channel RX, 5 cell 2000 Nimh, and OS 55AX.

I ran the OS through the recommended break in. The 55AX starts easy, runs good, and like other postings, only 1 screwdriver blade width of low side needle leaner needed.

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Just finished my Tango, installed OS Fs72. All up weight without fuel is 5lb 9 oz. I ballanced mine at 4.5 to 4.75 back from the leading edge of the wing. I will be flying it tomorrow providing the range check is good, i will give my flight report then.

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I'm new to RC and was looking at the Tango.

What is with the fat wings? What does that do to how the plane flies?


Thanks
Jim

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Less speed more lift better for 3D.

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I am lost and need help...
I have little time and patience to build. I looked thru the online manuel and was impressed, the control horns and ALL control surfaces are installed. This beats the TRIBUTE ARF and or buying parts for the tribute.
I have only had a few nitro planes but I fly 3d fairly well. I have a 46 az OS on my tribute now. I also have a Saito 82. My Tribute is up to 5 lbs. It was better as the original PNP.
I am debating on buying a new PNP Tribute with the 36
Placing the Saito 82 (same weight as existing 46) and the fuse has been built up (all the weight) where it can't vibrate or break with anything.
Or placing my 82 on the Tango. I had the twist a year ago. I was never able to hover it close to the ground. I really had good luck hovering my tribute when I first added the the 46 and it was still light.
I can't hover close to the ground unless I have a really powerful engine and light weight. Maybe it's too much to ask as the whole concept implies too much power for two little plane.
But I've never ran a 4 stroke to date.
Maybe the 82 and Tango would hover at less then 1/2?
Is there another plane so easy and quick to build?
Maybe I should go back to electric but the silly batteries just don't last long when you are trying to hover either. I was upto a 4 charger and 8 lipos. I still was only getting 4 to 5 min flights.
any suggestions...

RE: Hangar 9 Tango Arf
 

I am lost and need help...
I have little time and patience to build. I looked thru the online manuel and was impressed, the control horns and ALL control surfaces are installed. This beats the TRIBUTE ARF and or buying parts for the tribute.
I have only had a few nitro planes but I fly 3d fairly well. I have a 46 az OS on my tribute now. I also have a Saito 82. My Tribute is up to 5 lbs. It was better as the original PNP.
I am debating on buying a new PNP Tribute with the 36
Placing the Saito 82 (same weight as existing 46) and the fuse has been built up (all the weight) where it can't vibrate or break with anything.
Or placing my 82 on the Tango. I had the twist a year ago. I was never able to hover it close to the ground. I really had good luck hovering my tribute when I first added the the 46 and it was still light.
I can't hover close to the ground unless I have a really powerful engine and light weight. Maybe it's too much to ask as the whole concept implies too much power for two little plane.
But I've never ran a 4 stroke to date.
Maybe the 82 and Tango would hover at less then 1/2?
Is there another plane so easy and quick to build?
Maybe I should go back to electric but the silly batteries just don't last long when you are trying to hover either. I was upto a 4 charger and 8 lipos. I still was only getting 4 to 5 min flights.
any suggestions...

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Fat wings are an off shoot of the fun fly designs. They are not for 3D. The trend right now is thin. All the new 3D designs are going to thin wings. What the fat wings add is drag not lift. The overall design of the tango most likely will make it float fairly well dead stick, but most fat wing funflies dont glide all that well under dead stick conditions. If you dead sticked many of the early designed fat wing profiles, you better land it right where it was: because you were not going to get it back to the flight line. The added drag makes the plane not scoot across the sky. Funfly type planes are not fast. They are designed for funfly type maneuvers.

What does the fat wing do? It forces the plane to slow down due to the added drag. The 700 square inches of wing adds lift and makes it float. Remember it is all about wing loading.

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Hmm ok now i am lost whats the diffrance between fun fly maneuvers and 3D. I haven't flown my tango yet will do on sunday it has the PTS engine and electrics from my p-51 with a 12/4 prop seems very strong

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The difference between designs like the Tango, and a 3D profile plane has a lot to do with balance, wing loading, and airfoil. A fun-fly plane is going to have large control surfaces, like its 3D brethren. However, it is going to do better in strait, level flight at the faster speeds required to keep up with other traffic in the pattern. At the same time, it will do very tight maneuvers that other planes are incapable of. It will not hover for sustained periods of time like a 3D profile (Mojo, Burrito, and their ilk) or large-scale 3D scale plane (such as the Edge 3D, Yak 54 3D, Ultimate 3D, and so forth). In summary: Planes like the Twist, Tango, Seagull Harriar, and so forth are "jack of all trades" type planes, but are not meant for specialized applications.

NorfolkSouthern

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More specific a traditional funfly maneuvers are the ones we would fly at fun fly events. Such as balloon bust, areial golf, most takeoff and landings in 90 seconds, climb and glide, limbo, shortest take-off, etc. There are many.

It is easier to understand the definition of 3D if you understand 2D first. 2D flying is flying an airplane so the line of flight is straight and in line with its thrust line. There is a line that goes through the fuselage right straight to the prop. This is called the thrust line. Any time you fly the plane at any angle so the plane goes in a different direction than where the thrust line is pointing: that is 3D flying. When the nose of the plane point in a 60 degree angle from level, but the plane is flying parallel to the ground, that is flying in the 3rd dimension.

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I am going to put a fox eagle 75 in my tango. At Over 6000 feet i need a little altitude compensation, plus this is going to be my primary float plane

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Flew today - Tango, Spektrum 6 Channel, OS .55AX, 12.25x3.75 APC , 5lbs 6oz - true to the description on Rudder because too much and the results are unexspected roll and pitch. I need to try it some more to describe it better - Knife edge is hard because you have to creep up on the rudder throw and add plenty of opposite aileron to hold it. The OS .55AX NEW with only six tanks run through it was way more than this plane needs. Now I fly my UCanDo 40 size with a Saito .91 so I'm use to overpowering a plane.

Two issues I had was a warped left aileron and the two wing dowels fit loose so the wing vibrates. I may have to sleeve the dowels with copper tubbing. So far I like it - fly differernt than anything elese and very easy to see in the air. KEEPER!!

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Thanks. Well, I'm brand new. I'm not even sure what 3D is, but I have never heard of "fun fly." What is a "fun fly" plane and what is "fun fly"?

Thanks.
Jim

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You'll probably get a million different descriptions of "fun fly" but to me it is an airplane that is not purpose-built for one kind of flight and therefore does everything pretty well. It's the kind of plane that you can relax and fly yet is exciting enough to keep your interest. One of those planes that you always end up taking to the field!

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gorcflyr, i have seen several times where a loose wing dowel came back berned from vib. and also seen one wing come off due to this, but i do live in the desert so it is really dry here but i would not take any chances anyways

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The sig something extra is a good example of a fun fly plane. The tower uproar is a popular fun fly plane. I used a Thunder tiger extra profile in a few fun fly events.

Fun fly is an event that is an alternative to pattern or big bird fly-ins. I found this on the net that explains the events this particular fun-fly fly-in is going to have. http://www.scootworks.com/rdrc/funfly.html

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You are very correct - I plan to put a ply doubler in and may sleeve over the dowel with 1/4 OD brass tubing. I'm only doing slow race track pattern flights to put time on the new engine before I try to pull the wings off flying it hard.

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sounds good gorcflyr, i might do something like that before mine sees the sky, i really dont know what taking it easy is. Has anyone tryed floats on theirs? or thinking about it?

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Hangar 9 must not be to worried about the wing dowels--

"Using a Saito™ .72, the Tango can run tight ten-foot loops and—unlike some fun-fly planes—full-throttle high-speed runs."

I'd say you guys are probably smarter than the people that built an designed them. I'm gonna order one also, and I'm glad you brought this wing dowel subject up before I destroyed mine flying wide open with a big engine.


Ronnie

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Each to their own - dowels are loose enough that the wing vibrates and makes one heck of a racket. Fly it a couple of days and if it buzzes - put your hand on top of the wing and see if it goes away. Just a precaution to tighten them up by some method, otherwize please give us a report on how you find the plane to be and fly. I like it and plan to keep it for a while. One more note - even though I did not design or build it - throw the wing bolts away that come with it. The wing bolts are the usual H9 that are not a true 1/4 - 20 (look at UStick and other posting about wing bolts). How do I know - one stripped out the second day I was getting ready to fly. Put in some new ones GP or Dubro and they are much tighter going in.

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Don't take my post the wrong way. I'm actually making fun of the people at Hangar 9 for letting this stuff slip by. I usually find that the end user of a product is smarter than the original designer/builder.

Ronnie

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No problem - this is the easiest out of the box ARF to get ready. Flys different for sure - snaps with too much rudder but that is the fun part this plane is for - just need to try it high first. Now H9 stuff is my favorite but you and many others probably know they have several bad items in nearly every plane. Tanks - split (every 11oz I have ever had split), Wing bolt anchor nuts and bolts are something to look close at - oversized anchor nuts and undersized bolts, and some other hardware that is better put in the trash than taking a risk on like shallow threads on rods. The good side- H9 Planes are for the most part well built and fly good - my favorite for most of my ARFs (I have or have had six H9 ARFs so far).

Tango - well this is certainly the strangest plane I have flown so far - I call it the platapuss of planes. Don't know if it is a duck/beaver, or citrabra/pulse/twist/???. Get one and enjoy - lands easy but twitchy quick response on ailerons - easy to see due to colors and markings - now someone with a .72 or .82 needs to give us a flight report and some built tips. Mine with .55AX and Spektrum is a hoot to fly. ;)

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Have flown both the .55AX and the Saito .72 powered Tango at the field. The .55 definitely has more raw power in the form of acceleration than the .72 in a straight line but the .72 will climb right with it and stay with it top end due to pulling more pitch than the .55. We have put them side by side several times now. Those two engines are probably the best choices for this plane. The .55 is pulling the 12.75x3.75APC and the .72 is running a MAS 13x6 on it. I believe this plane will be able to be landed in a flat spin - lets see whos the first to do it and video it! With these two engines you can bring the rate of decent to a crawl in a flat spin.

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Hey you Tango guys..............I have a question concerning the fuel tank assy. I took my Tango out of the box last night & was looking things over. I took the fuel tank & pushed it into the proper place & found that the black end of the tank where the tubes come through the front of the tank, does not come through or even come close to coming through the hole in the firewall. The way too large hole (1 5/16 ths hole) is also too low for the front of the tank. The protusion on the tank hits the top edge of the firewall hole leaving a gap & hole the size of the Grand Canyon!

What are you guys that have finished one doing with this? Or am I the only one that got one like this? Or am I missing something here..............The extra large hole lines up with the electric mounting placement, but there is still no reason to have this huge hole in the firewall even with the electric version.

Thanks in advance

Tcat