Holy ****...I feel extremely insulted right now. <div>
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</div><div>All of you need to realize what you are saying. JOIN A CLUB, JOIN A CLUB. I get it. OK! </div><div>
</div><div>Secondly don't do not ever discuss or relate my real flying skills as a REAL pilot saying that "i hope you do not use that negligence in the real airplane" I am an amazingly safe pilot. I learned the hard way last year when my uncle died  in his airplane, that there is no room for messing around in real airplanes. So please do not insult me on that. </div><div>
</div><div>Finally, the field I fly at is huge and there is never anyone around. EVER. so please keep the comments to yourselves, remember these are still models. Not real airplanes! So you do not need a license to operate one. </div><div>
</div><div>Thank you <span style="font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial; font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">TruBlu02 for helping me out. To the rest of you stop hating on a little kid who cant afford to join a club or whose parents wont drive him. I make do with what I got!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial; font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">
</span></div><div><font face="tahoma, verdana, arial"><span style="font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">Sorry if this offended anyone All i wanted to know was a tuning question!</span></font></div>

Pappas123,
I think everyone had good intentions but it is pretty much the company line here when someone new asks for advice. Yes joining a club is a good idea but it is obviously not the only option. As for your original question did you get the help you needed?

Finally, the field I fly at is huge and there is never anyone around. EVER. so please keep the comments to yourselves, remember these are still models. Not real airplanes! So you do not need a license to operate one.

I guess I have to butt in here. I had a TOY AIRPLANE go through a metal barn roof. When I say through I mean through. These can be very dangerous weapons. I also am a full size pilot and the skills to fly my TOY AIRPLANE is much different that my full size one. Trust me if you have an accident with your LITTLE MODEL AIRPLANE you will wish you had AMA to cover your back. BTW Welcome to the hobby

[quote]ORIGINAL: Pappas123

Holy ****...I feel extremely insulted right now.<div>
</div><div>
</div><div>All of you need to realize what you are saying. JOIN A CLUB, JOIN A CLUB. I get it. OK!</div><div>
</div><div>Secondly don't do not ever discuss or relate my real flying skills as a REAL pilot saying that "i hope you do not use thatnegligencein the real airplane" I am an amazingly safe pilot. Ilearnedthe hard way last year when my uncle died in his airplane, that there is no room for messing around in real airplanes. So please do not insult me on that.</div><div>
</div><div>Finally, the field I fly at is huge and there is never anyone around. EVER. so please keep the comments toyourselves, remember these are still models. Not real airplanes! So you do not need alicenseto operate one.</div><div>
</div><div>Thank you<span style="font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial; font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px">TruBlu02for helping me out. To the rest of you stop hating on a little kid who cant afford to join a club or whose parents wont drive him. I make do with what I got!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial; font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px">
</span></div><div><font face="tahoma, verdana, arial"><span style="font-size: 11px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px">Sorry if thisoffendedanyone All i wanted to know was a tuning question!</span></font></div>
Hey little brat, you were the one that asked for help.
If you want us to keeo our comments to ourselves DONOTASK

Pappas123,
Many people here are trying to help you, as well as help themselves. All over this country regulations and laws to prohibit RC flying are being passed that stems from accidents such assomebody flying in a park and they hit somebody or something. This usually comes from (but not always) from inexperienced people such as yourself that "feel" there is plenty of room to fly their plane, or they are flying in a location that they felt "there is never anyone around". As I pointed out above there are many clubs in your local area, I would imagine that there would be a lot of people upset at you if you were to have an accident that caused legislation to be passed that banned their ability to fly RC airplanes in your area.

These members of this forum are all very VERY experienced in this hobby and each and every one of them are here spending their time to help people get started in this hobby. Not one of them wants to make this difficult for the beginning pilot, nor do they want to "control' what that pilot does. Rather, they are here offering advice from their many years of experience in this hobby that will both help the new pilot be as successful as they can, but also enjoy their time in the hobby. Whether you believe it or not, they all want to help you. Many of the experienced members of this forum have years, if not decades, of experience in this hobby and they are willing to share this with people just getting started. They spend their time here willingly in order to help those getting started. They patiently spend their time here answering the same questions over and over again helping people that are starting out. They don't get paid for their time here, so why do they dedicate so much of their life here??? Because they are trying to promote and help grow a hobby that they love so much. Many of them got a helping hand at some point as they were starting out, and they are simply trying to "Pay It Forward"to reply their debt. They are here to help, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.

While you may feel that your time in a full size aircraft and your time on a simulator has properly prepared you to make such decisions as what is safe and what is not, I can tell you from many MANY years of experience that these factors aren't enough to make some of the decisions you are making. And this is the same thing that the members of this forum are also trying to point out to you. You simply don't have enough experience with RCplanes to make decisions of this sort. And that is why they are trying to help you.

Think of it this way?? When you were taking flight instructions for full scale aircraft did your instructor ever tell you how to do something, and you answered back that what he told you was incorrect because you thought differently?? I doubt it. The instructor was the person with the knowledge that was trying to help you advance your skills, and it's exactly the same thing here. These people are offering their knowledge and you are simply telling them that you know better than everyone else who has more experience in this hobby than you do.

As to your argument about being a kid, not being able to afford it, nor not being able to drive that is simply a cop out excuse. I would suggest that you research the history a Greek born American pilot in World War II name Steve Pisanos. As a kid all he wanted to do was to learn to fly. He realized that he was never going to be able to learn in his home country of Greece, so at the age of 16 or so (the same age as you are) he left home, got a job on an ocean steamer, jumped ship, and came to America. Here in the US he worked ANY job he could find to pay for his flight lessons. Then at the age of 18 or 19 after learning to fly he volunteered to go to war and fly for the United States in World War II, a country that wasn't even his own. So what's my point? My point is that if you really want to do something you can find a way, and saying you don't have the money to afford a $40/year dues or that you can't find a ride to a flying field is just a cop out. You say you have a full scale pilot's license, somehow you found the several thousand dollars to get that and you managed to get to the airport for your lessons, and all before you were 16 years old. Now that you are 16 I would think it would be much easier to get to a flying field since you can legally drive now. My point is, there are always ways to accomplish anything you want to.

Whether you realize it or not, everybody here was simply trying to help you succeed. However, if you don't want advice from the group that is of course your prerogative. I wish you all the luck in the world as you move forward.


Ken



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I had been around full scale airplanes a couple of decades before you were born....not all of it in maintenance, crew chief, flt mech, etc.
I've got my time in the air as well....true not behind the stick much, but .....
I'm telling you this to try and protect you and our hobby, and so you know where i've been.....
I did not know how bad a model accident can be.....A friend of mine almost died in one.....you should see his scars.....When you fly in that park you have no one to watch your back....With all my years I never thought a prop would get me...well one did...my own stupidity...but I was got....sure glad I was at the RC field where I was taken to the ER, my plane cleaned up and taken home.
Remember the accident doesn't have to a bystander....
The choice is of course yours....Good Luck

required to join AMA
RCKen's post did a wonderful job of explaining that we do not intend to insult you. We want to help you. We also want to help our hobby. That's why we feel a need to point out to you that you are doing something that can be unsafe. It not only can help keep you out of trouble, but can help keep the hobby out of trouble, too. While reading your post, I think you have a few misconceptions.
1. No, I don't think you do "get it". I don't care if you EVER join a club. I think you'd get more enjoyment out of the hobby if you did, but that's up to you.
2. There is "no room for messing around" with RC airplanes, either because:
3. They ARE real airplanes, only smaller. The plastic model planes you hang from your ceiling are toys; ours are not. And, when not flown in a safe manner, they can be just as dangerous as full scale aircraft.
4. If enough people fly their RC planes in improper places, a license will be required. We may be headed in that direction already. Before the end of the year, you might be required to join AMA, but that's a whole different discussion.
5. The only reason I question your attitude in the full scale is that I've found that most truly safety concious individuals carry that attitude to everything they do.Likewise, those that disregard safety rules in one area tend to cut safety corners in other activities, as well. I apologize for implying that you might be an unsafe pilot.

dude join the AMA it is free for you because you are under 19 years old
another thing YOUWILLCRASHANRCit does not matter how good of a pilot you are YOUWILLCRASHeventually

So true.

In our neck of the woods, trying to fly in a public park will cause the Police to show up in very short order.
The first time you are issued a warning and the second time you WILL be arrested for endangering the public.

Pappas123 is in NJ where there are many such restrictions in place.

Club fees are just part of the nature of the sport, if you don't have a large amount of PRIVATE land to fly in or an area where RC flying is permitted by the local governments, etc.

If you can't afford the fees and insist on flying in Parks, stick to small electric foamies... though even there you have to be very careful as they can quickly cut a bystander to shreds...

Pappas123

No one is trying to insult you. Quite the contrary. Every one that has replied has tried to offer you advice regarding the questions you asked and issues you have raised.

Sorry, but based on a discussion I've had with other Moderators, I am shutting this thread down.

If you wish to discuss this further, open another thread, but do keep an open mind or else I will not hesitate to lock that one down too.

CGr.