I'm trying to decide which plane to get it is either the escapade .61 or the twist .6 I also considered the revolver at one point, any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.

What kind of a question is that? Are you trying to start a riot?

Those are all fine aircraft for your second.

Mine was the Tiger 60 with an OS .61 SF at first, later it had a Super Tigre 75. Regardless, it was a great second.

If you have a size in mind, I would opt of the largest of the ones you are looking at. Visibility is an important factor for a second plane because you can begin to really see what your inputs are doing as you do them, especially on approach and landing.

No matter what you choose, you will love any of them.

CGr.

I would vote for a 4 Star 60. It's easy to see, can be fast, and slow, has self recovery ability, will float in for a landing and with a Saito 100, can have unlimited vert!

What one of the two do you like the best, both are very good planes so it comes down to your choice. If this was a voting issue you would hear a lot of planes being mentioned but as an either or it's up to you. Tough choice!!!

Gene.. it certainly is. Those choices are all great ones. Hey... to the OP (Original Poster) Get them all!!! That way you can't go wrong!!! Just kidding, of course.

CGr.

What kind of self respecting RCer could say something like that!?.. JUSTKIDDING!?.. unreal.. I say get two of everything you can think of.. deal with the fall out later!.

Ummmmm..... Speaking from experience... probably someone that has done it!! No fallout here.. I'm single

Perhaps the kind of RCer that knows there is no reason to have two planes that will fly about the same. Dang, I resemble that remark!!! How many pattern and IMAC planes can one man have in a life time?? I think maybe I have been in a rut?? No wait a minute, I have gone through a Bipe stage, high wing stunt stage, speed stage. Seems everything except a 3-D stage. Maybe I'm not in a rut.

your second plane gets beat up the quickest because you tend to get over confident. At least that's what happened to me. So get something that is cheap, fast, aerobatic, and easy to repair and engine tune. So get yourself a Big Stik 60 and throw a 90 size engine up front and don't look back. You'll leave those escapades and Twists in your wingtip vorticies and laugh at 20 mph wind. Also, keep in mind that a Twist 3D is really more of a sport model and not a true 3D bird.

I have both a Escapade 61 with a Fox .74 Eagle IV and a Revolver 70 with a Magnum 91 4 stroke. Both planes fly very well and are great. You will not go wrong with either.

Bruce

Any of those are great. So is Tiger II, 4*60, Big Stik, pretty much any 3D plane can be good if you start with rates VERY low. I would avoid things like warbirds, speed planes, etc, but any sport plane or 3D plane can be a good 2nd plane. Just get whichever you like the most and go fly it.

I'll tell you what. Any of those choices you decide you don't want, send it or them to me. I will dispose of them properly.[8D]

Here's a fire starter..............

Don't get a 4* no matter what......

I got the cousin of this one so I'd actually progress not be stuck with another trainer but with the wing on the bottom.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=SEA2565

Cowboy is pretty close. The escapade is like a trainer with the wing on the bottom. It is very stable and easy to fly. The Revolver 70 is much more aerobatic and capable. I have both, the Escapade is an easy Sunday flier, while the Revolver is much more sporty and agile, and is a kitty cat to land.

Not to start a fight here Cowboy, because that isn't my intention, so please don't mad at me!!!

This is one piece of advice I hear a lot that just drives me up the wall. People say don't get XXXXplane because you'll get bored with it. You'll move past it to quickly. and so forth.

I firmly believe in the motto that there are no boring airplanes, only boring pilots!!!! If you can't have fun with any plane then it's time to improve piloting skills.

Ihave a real world case in point for this very situation.

A few years ago I went up to Minnesota to work on a project with Minnflyer. While Iwas there he put together a impromptu fly-in for one weekend that I was there where a bunch of RCUmembers came out to fly together. Since I traveled by airline to get there Iof course couldn't take any of my planes to fly, so Iwas at the charity of others that showed up. At one point RCUmember Insanemoondoggie asked if Iwanted to fly his airplane. Of course Itook the sticks for a flight. As I was taxing out he said to me "I'm sorry that it's only a 4-Star, it will probably be a boring flight for you." Ilooked at him and asked if he would mind if I"wring it out"a little bit. He said yes.So I took the plane up and put it through some paces. As Ilanded Itaxied back in Moondoggie was standing there with his chin on the ground. His only words were "Ididn't know that plane could do all of that". My answer to him??"There are no boring planes"

Ok, I'll put my soapbox away now!!!

Ken

4*, Escapade, Pulse all are good 2nd planes pick the one you like
but the 4* will be the tame-est of the 3

I had a Four Star 40 that was anything but tame. If you set the CG correctly, put the right amount of throw in control surfaces, and add the right amount of power, well, it will be as wild as many 3D plane can be... and with that said, the same is true if you want it to be tame.... and the same is pretty true for may airframes that could be touted as tame or radical.

There is a 3D plane that many talk about that they say, when tamed down, will make a good trainer. This is also true, but many 3D planes are light weight and therefore are more fragile than a good trainer, but that's not the point, here, what I am trying to say is that you can make many airframes be either tame or radical depending on the way it is set up and powered.

CGr.

LOL! Here we go again!




I agree. That advice you just gave is very sound.


Pete

Sig Fourstar or the Tiger 60 or Tiger 2 are fantastic second models. They can do all of the aerobatics that you want, but can slow down to trainer landing speeds. Easy to build, too... Highly recommended! <div>
</div><div>Good luck and happy flying!</div>

This is great low wing 2nd plane for $94.99

http://www.americanpioneerhobbies.co...r_dragger.html

The owner's name is George and he is a good person.

My second plane, still have it eight years later,and like RCKen says, only boring in certain hands! Boring in mine, but when my son flys it, wow look out![X(]

I'm pretty new when it comes to flying and unless this wind dies down, I may never fly again!

I went from a simulator to a LT40 and within a few weeks of flying the LT40, I thought I was ready for my second plane. The guys here like Ken suggested the 4*60. I built the kit, took it out to the field and got many comments how my flying had improved. And that was on my first day with the 4*60 and I was lucky if I had burned a gallon of fuel in the LT40 I was so new. Unfortunately the covering I choose wrankled up on me and I gave it to another noob. The good news is, I have a new kit sitting in the corner. [&:]

Hard to speak for everyone's learning curve and their ability to move forward with plane number two, but for me the 4*60 was the right choice.

thank you for all your replies, I also would like to know what brand of servos to use for the escapade .61, I'm thinking of ds821 or hi tech 645mg your input is greatly appreciated.

The twist has a huge following.
I fly a twist, I've flown others and as far as flying in the wind the twist can easly fly in a 25 mph wind, I do it all the time.

I used Futaba S3010 servos in my Escapade 61 but 3004s should be fine.

Bruce