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Old 08-19-2003 | 11:30 PM
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I have been asking about a good second plane in other threads and have gotten great information from them. I also asked a poll about which is a better low wing trainer, a goldberg tiger 2, or a sig four star. The majority of people have said to go with the four star, as I also think it is a better looking plane. I have heard nothing but good things about the four star, but at the LHS a guy told me that the reason the tiger was better was because the tiger has a tricycle gear that can be converted into a tail dragger. He believed that this was important because on a four star I would have to learn how to fly a low wing as well as a tail dragger at the same time. What do you guys think? I do not plan on flying this plane for a while because I want to build it as a kit. Please let me know.
Old 08-20-2003 | 12:22 AM
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I presume that you're flying a trainer and will be very familiar with it before flying the 4*. If that's the case, don't worry about it. You can have you're instructor do the first flight for you (to check it out), then stand with you for moral support on the first take off and landing.
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Old 08-20-2003 | 01:06 AM
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My second plane was a World Models Super Sports 40 (tri gear). I did not want to learn both the tail dragger and a low wing at the same time. Now looking back, if you have someone to help you, then you should be ok. You just need some instruction on how to take off and land the tail draggers and you will be ok. It's not like you are going to a P-51!

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Old 08-20-2003 | 01:55 PM
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My second plane was the 4*. I had to learn the low wing and taildragger at the same time. It is certainly different but not a real problem to learn if you are careful. Do as Dennis said and have someone fly it for you the first time out and give you a little advice. You will be OK.
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Old 08-20-2003 | 02:53 PM
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I tend to agree with going with a nose wheel. It is much easier, especially on takeoff, and it can always be converted to a taildragger later.
Old 08-20-2003 | 04:27 PM
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I went to Avistar (tricyle) to the 4*60 (taildragger) for my second plane. Just a couple things to remember, keep your elevator up while taxiing, and watch the ground loops. Otherwise, I had no problem in transitioning to the taildragger.
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You could do like several of the fellows in our club did. When they decided they were ready for a tail dragger, they converted their trainer.

Big advantage is that you are real familiar with the plane. Another plus is that converting the trainer is dirt simple. If the main landing gear is wire type, buy a strap type landing gear and a tail wheel.

Fit a piece of aircraft ply, 3/16 inch thick or so in the fuselage bottom. Situate this so that when you screw the landing gear on, the axles will be in line with the leading edge of the wing.

Use blind nuts in the plywood and screw the landing gear into this with nylon bolts. - this way, if you mess up a landing, you shear the nylon bolts and don't pull the plywood out of the bottom of the fuselage.

Another advantage is that now you have a trainer that doesn't look like every other trainer at the field.

Hopes this helps to give you another alternate.
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klumsy kid has very good advice here. A number of people at our club(s) have done this too. It's a great way of learning a tail dragger's ground handling characteristics.
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