I flew some of my brothers models he has several now i want to get one.What i want is not so much a trainer just a little more advanced.I want to put this engine in it.I bet this thing sounds awesome.It's huge but what would be a better plane to fit it to? Also just because some sites/most sites say what engine for what,i can go bigger then reccomended right?
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Are you flying at a local club field?

Yeah,there is a certain noise decibel or something too.Is that what you were thinking maybe?Cause i didn't even thing of that.I do know where my brother and i go there are no giant scales allowed.Hmmm.

Most clubs have training programs.

Some clubs have their own trainers.

Once you certify you likely can fly planes that will fit that engine.

But if you elect to go it alone, you may be throwing away good money on a nice engine like that.

I would recommend that you join a club first, go through their program and see advice.

You may change both your opinion of what you'll want, and also on how you want to proceed.

Plus the clubs help assure that your first flights are successful.

Your instructor will be able to guage what you are ready for and help your decision(s).

Probably right.I would hate to have the nicist combo out there and turn it into a million pieces.

You'll also end up with a bunch of people that share a common interest.

It's worth it to go out of your way and join and fly at a club field.

In the long run it will save you money and grief, while you just may have more fun.

The AMA has an on-line club finder...

Go here: [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx]Click me![/link]

And grab a list of local clubs.

I'd advise you to show up at a meeting, and take a trip to a club field.

If possible check out two or more local clubs and see what you think is a better fit for you.

That's great thanks,i did find one even closer to me.Cheaper then the one my brothers a member of too.Thanks.

Some kind of ugly stick is a good model for someone who already can fly a bit. Get a buddy box instructor and dial back the control throws so the model is not to sensitive to begin with then when you progress it will be aable to give you a bit more than a trainer.

I know someone did a version that would take a 150.

The larger of these is rated for a 120 4st. See [link=http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma1220.html]CLICKY[/link]

Wow,yeah man idk lol.Interesting.For sure with the buddy system with what ever i get.I was checking out this also,a little smaller of an engine requirement and i could still have the pretty engine.I like fancy stuff i really go all out with everything wether it's hobbies or my car.But this is a nice plane here.I'm sure you seen it before.Says intermediate to advanced,if i do like you said with the adjustments so it's easier + with the buddy system i know i could fly this.
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The Stick looks nice. Some wing mount basics. Each plane has a center line that basically runs thru the crank to the tail.
<ul>[*]A high wing is mounted above the cockpit - several inches above the center line, frequently with dihedral (wing tips higher than center of the wing). Mostly trainers - mostly.[*]There is a shoulder wing where the wing is mounted on top of the fuse maybe an inch or so above the center line - like the Stick referenced. The canopy would be on top of the wing. Easy flier with more aerobatic capabilities. Some shoulder mounts are pretty aggressive fliers.[*]Mid wing has the wing mounted on the center line. Much more aerobatic in nature.[*]Then there is the low wing - mounted on the bottom of the fuse a similar distance from the center line as the shoulder wing. Can be very gentle flier (almost trainer like) when a lot of dihedral is added.[/list]
Sooooo many options. Keep asking questions and visit your local club often.</p>

If ya get tired of the Saito 150 - a bunch of us would happily take it off your hands for the cost of shipping </p>

I'd probably even throw in a fin above the shipping cost, but that is just the kind of guy I am. Don't want to take advantage of anyone.[8D][8D]

Yeah i really am gonna be in this category more.I had so many r/c cars,trucks on off road electric nitro and gas.Still have a 4-tec i'm selling on ebay that's gonna be part of the new hobby of flying.All the times i was with my brother i just can't figure out how everyone can see which way sometimes the plane is with the sun and what not.Inverted up right.Lot more to it then bashing up an r/c car in the yard or parking lot. I figure the bigger and the louder (color) of the plane would make a signifigant difference in being able to see it.His aren't that small but they're also not that big either.That's why i want a large wing span.The sundowner 63" is bigger then any one my bro owns.

I would think that plane would be a good 3rd or 4th plane. When used as a 1st plane they have a very short expiration date on them.

Well if i was hooked up with a more experienced pilot like you guys but of course up here where i'm at if i started to loose it they could get it under control.The one i have flown was the easy sport 40.I had no problems.My biggest fear is landing.I did it though.The other one was a trainer 40 eagle i believe that was as easy as the day is long.To easy and slow,the sport had my attention.A little nerve recking at 1st a lot fast for sure.I just cut the throttle back and flew it eased up a little on the throttle when needed.

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Many, many new flyers want to skip the beginner and intermediate planes and move up to the serious stuff right off the bat. Occasionally one makes it work, but rarely. You can do a whole lot with a typical sport plane like the Easy Sport, much more than you've already done. From what I'm reading, all you've done in flying is make a few circuits and land, which has made you think you've got this hobby figured out. But work for a year with a sport plane learning fly those circuits without any altitude or heading changes, learn to pick a spot and land on it consistently, add in perfectly round loops and perfectly straight rolls, and learn to do a hammerhead without drifting and you'll then have the basics figured out. Do all of that various wind conditions without making mistakes and you'll be an intermediate pilot. All through that, a sport plane will forgive your mistakes and still slow down really nicely when you just want to enjoy cruising around the field. As for choices, the aforementioned Easy Sport will work since you're comfortable with it, as will the Ugly Stick (everybody should have one), or if you want a little more style a Sig 4 star.

Well you're right and that did make a lot of sence what you wrote.I really did absolutly nothing (stunts) besides fly it on a perfect dead calm day.Cause there wasn't even any wind current.It really was a perfect day to take one up and try it,cause that really isn't even any experience what i did i'm a beginner.So i think i should take the advise i'v been givin and go with it and not go crazy with getting something i'm scared of
Cause i know i would be afraid of something like that gorgeous sundowner.

The great thing about starting with a forgiving sport plane like an Ugly Stick is that you'll still have days when you just want to tool around in the sky and not think about it much, and you're old trusty friend will still be there for you. Plus, they are easy to fix when you have those inevitable beginner bumps that we all dealt with when we were new. Since you seem to have decent funding for the hobby, I'll go ahead and recommend a .60 size Stick without flaps with a .60-.75 2 stroke engine. An OS .75 AX would be perfect or a Thunder Tiger .61 PRO if you want to save some money. Outfit the plane all around with Hitec HS-425 servos and the 6 channel radio of your choice and you'll be all set.

That was helpful especially with the electronics,that i was always wondering about what should go with what,same as engine size.I was told the reccomended engines like the rtr kits tower offers are always under powered.I don't know how true it is,but just was told that.

Nitroholic...that's a good, mature decision to not go with the Sundowner.  You **could** successfully fly it IF you had a GREAT buddy to fly with, spent TONS of hours on a simulator, had incredible natural talent, and the patience (yours and your buddy's) to not try and land it for months.  If you tried to treat the Sundowner like a Stick or a Trainer....it would QUICKLY transform into a bunch of tiny little pieces of wood.<div>
</div><div>I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer, but flying is a LOT different than R/C cars in the sense that if you get an r/c car that is too "advanced" you'll spend money on parts and you won't be as fast as you'd like...but you're not going to have a total, catastrophic loss of every major component.  Planes?  Not so unheard of.</div><div>
</div><div>Now let me be another pro-Trainer/Stick guy.  Trainers are around for a reason.  They're not pretty, fast, scale, or aerobatic.  If they are, they're not a trainer.  They exist to TRAIN you until you are ready to progress.  Another benefit is that while learning you WILL crash a few small times.  With a trainer, you use epoxy everywhere and back in the air quickly.  Everything is straight and boxy.  With the Sundowner (or something similar), you want to repair it to its original good looks, which is much more difficult to achieve....especially for new builders.  If you want something big and 4-stroke powered, let me be the first to suggest the Spacewalker (big and little).  The big one would fly BEAUTIFULLY with that Saito 150 (even if overpowered).  The small one would do great with anything between a Saito 56 and Saito 82.  Relatively cheap, REALLY pretty, fly/look/sound great with a 4-stroke, AND they fly like a trainer.  More advanced than a basic trainer, but I think the best trainer substitute out there.  I still recommend a trainer, but if you have someone willing to help this plane will do just fine.</div>

I am another of good guys that want to save you from the dilemma. I will gladly take that awful, bad engine from you. 

A 150 is a bit much for a beginner. You would do better with a 91 on a 60 size airframe. Less fuel and less danger. Still sporty. Stiks are good fliers and easy to repair. You are going break something sooner or later.

Well like victor wrote.It has nice looks,nicer then the stick i think and by reading all i'v read here and by others through customer ratings.Something like this would work out well,for flying and finacially.
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Nitro, did you notice I provided links to both the big and small one?  Also, if you go with the small one (which I'd recommend)....I'd get an engine on the larger end.  You can always move that engine (Saito 72/82) into a much larger range of airframes.

Oh yeah i seen,thank you.Yeah i like the smaller one.Plus i drive a 97 Cougar so lol basically a 2 seater.Not much room for to big a plane