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I'm a relative Newbie (less than 1 year experience) I just purchased Hangar 9 Ultra-stick 60 from a fellow club member. He was using a Futaba Receiver but I will be using Spektrum, other than that the receiver swap this plane is completely ready to go. This Plane has Flaps and this will be my first experience with Flaps. I will be setting it up with my Spektrum DX8 and am planning to use a Spektrum AR 600 receiver
Some questions I have related to Flaps:
I assume I should plug the Flaps in my "aux" Port on my receiver? (I Have a servo reverser "Y" for the Flaps)
What percentage of Throw should I set? Set up Tips ??
Should I just use the flaps for landing?
ANY tips / Insight would be greatly appreciated
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Some questions I have related to Flaps:
I assume I should plug the Flaps in my "aux" Port on my receiver? (I Have a servo reverser "Y" for the Flaps)
What percentage of Throw should I set? Set up Tips ??
Should I just use the flaps for landing?
ANY tips / Insight would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
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I can speak to the plane itself. I had 2 of the Ultra Stick 60's and had flaps set up on one of them. I only used them to see what they did and never touched them again. The ultra stick 60 will settle down very well due to its fat wing.
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ANY tips / Insight would be greatly appreciated
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Hi CPT Great airplane and great fun with the four surface-four servo wing. OK since you are fairly new here is what I would do and what I would setup for anyone with these types of four surface wings on a good stick. To Start with set the airplane up with mild to medium throws on all axis and nothing wild. Then I would set up you flaps to use just as mild conventional dedicated flaps. And recommend no more than around 30 degrees down and no reflex at all (that's a flap the travel upward from the intrail position.
Practice with this mildly set up airplane until you think you are going to ware it out and are totally comfortable even with the flaps down.
Now I am not going to offer any radio programing that will have to come from elsewhere since I am strickly a Hitec user these days. But your next step you may want to experiment with is best described as Elevator To Flaps and what this does is simply apply down flap when up elevator is applied and conversely when down elevator is applied up flap (above the wing trailing edge).
This mix should only be used though a switch especially at first but you will likely find your self even leaving it on for whole flight simply because its a kick. This mix does exactly what the controlline folks have been doing for fifty years on flapped airplanes and indeed can and will tighten up both inside and outside looping maneuvers. Using this mix I recommend agine quite low at about no more than 25% flap to elevator both up and down.
Your Stick is a wonderful medium for this type of experimentation and I love both my Ultra Stick 120Lite with a 120 on it (heck imagine that
) and a Goldberg Wildstick with a 180 Moki (whoops) oh, and a GP Big Stick 40 with an OS LA 46, Oh well its only got a two surface wing but still great fun in its own way.
John
ANY tips / Insight would be greatly appreciated
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Hi CPT Great airplane and great fun with the four surface-four servo wing. OK since you are fairly new here is what I would do and what I would setup for anyone with these types of four surface wings on a good stick. To Start with set the airplane up with mild to medium throws on all axis and nothing wild. Then I would set up you flaps to use just as mild conventional dedicated flaps. And recommend no more than around 30 degrees down and no reflex at all (that's a flap the travel upward from the intrail position.
Practice with this mildly set up airplane until you think you are going to ware it out and are totally comfortable even with the flaps down.
Now I am not going to offer any radio programing that will have to come from elsewhere since I am strickly a Hitec user these days. But your next step you may want to experiment with is best described as Elevator To Flaps and what this does is simply apply down flap when up elevator is applied and conversely when down elevator is applied up flap (above the wing trailing edge).
This mix should only be used though a switch especially at first but you will likely find your self even leaving it on for whole flight simply because its a kick. This mix does exactly what the controlline folks have been doing for fifty years on flapped airplanes and indeed can and will tighten up both inside and outside looping maneuvers. Using this mix I recommend agine quite low at about no more than 25% flap to elevator both up and down.
Your Stick is a wonderful medium for this type of experimentation and I love both my Ultra Stick 120Lite with a 120 on it (heck imagine that
) and a Goldberg Wildstick with a 180 Moki (whoops) oh, and a GP Big Stick 40 with an OS LA 46, Oh well its only got a two surface wing but still great fun in its own way. John
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Thanks for the Valuable info John You answered my questions.
I see you are in Kingman AZ...... I will be visiting my Dad in Tonto Verde soon, Where do you fly?
Thanks Again
I see you are in Kingman AZ...... I will be visiting my Dad in Tonto Verde soon, Where do you fly?
Thanks Again
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Thanks CPT pleased to have been of some help. Here is a link to our field and club when you are in the area please come fly with us as my guest. If you are traveling with nothing to fly I can fix that:
http://kingmanmodelers.net/
Our field is adjacent to the Kingman regional airport and we have a thousand feet of groomed hardpan. Located just four miles from the I-40 and we are on Route 66. So let me know when you are coming by PM and I will send you my phone number.
John
http://kingmanmodelers.net/
Our field is adjacent to the Kingman regional airport and we have a thousand feet of groomed hardpan. Located just four miles from the I-40 and we are on Route 66. So let me know when you are coming by PM and I will send you my phone number.
John
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Hmm, perhaps not since I finally hang up my full scale spurs and set my trusted old Fournier free to roam greener pastures up in Oregon about four years ago.
Surely lots of pooped out Heavies do come here to die and it is fascinating to watch them become smaller and smaller under the guillitene (spelling) in just a few days just as the Dragon and its Tail (B-24) and so many others in the late Forties did.
Did Spend a pleasant morning at the field last week when a three man crew from down under who were all modelers and flyers as well came over to check us out. They were waiting for the installation of airworthy engines in one of those DLE ships for the long ferry flight back half way around the world.
John

Surely lots of pooped out Heavies do come here to die and it is fascinating to watch them become smaller and smaller under the guillitene (spelling) in just a few days just as the Dragon and its Tail (B-24) and so many others in the late Forties did.
Did Spend a pleasant morning at the field last week when a three man crew from down under who were all modelers and flyers as well came over to check us out. They were waiting for the installation of airworthy engines in one of those DLE ships for the long ferry flight back half way around the world.
John
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Hi CPTOZZY
Unlike full scale planes, our models do not need flaps for take offs and landings. Of course, some people use them. A few years ago an experienced fellow at our field had one with flaps. He deployed the flaps and landed. Some time later, perhaps an hour later, he took the plane off, and may have forgotten the flaps were still deployed. He lost control during the takeoff and totaled the plane. As careful as I am, I do sometimes forget things. When that happens I'm glad I have never had an interest in flying full scale.
Unlike full scale planes, our models do not need flaps for take offs and landings. Of course, some people use them. A few years ago an experienced fellow at our field had one with flaps. He deployed the flaps and landed. Some time later, perhaps an hour later, he took the plane off, and may have forgotten the flaps were still deployed. He lost control during the takeoff and totaled the plane. As careful as I am, I do sometimes forget things. When that happens I'm glad I have never had an interest in flying full scale.
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Here's how I did mine. Start with getting a feel for how the plane lands without the flaps. That big wing slows down nicely without them, so the flaps really just act as an airbrake more than anything else. Once you have a feel for how the plane lands when properly trimmed, set about 10 degrees of flap movement and 10% down elevator mix when the flaps are deployed. That's not enough to cause any violent pitching or mess with your elevator trim too much. Shoot a landing approach with the flaps down, and take note what you had to do with the elevator stick to make it settle in properly. Adjust your elevator mix to get the plane to land smoothly with no need for down elevator once some of the airspeed bleeds off. From there, you can add more flap, around 20 degrees, and readjust your mix as needed. Mine wound up near 40 degrees with 17% down elevator. That mix can't hold the nose level if I hit the flaps at cruise speed, but it is just right to make the plane settle in on landing after a nice short and steep approach. It's fun for me in light winds to use them because I can dive at the runway at around a 45 degree angle then pull out and barely touch the wheels to the pavement 15 feet later. That's not proper scale like flying by any means, but it's fun.




