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Old 11-20-2003 | 11:29 PM
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calm down man. this is just a discussion as to wether a faq is necessary or not. this thread seems to be heating up. we are all humans here (i hope) and humans like to argue. this here is exactly the problem newcomers will face. this is why a faq would be a good idea becasue faqs don't argue. i am not pointing anybody out, but think about it.
Old 11-20-2003 | 11:39 PM
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Old 11-20-2003 | 11:57 PM
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I think the reason it is getting heated up is because of the answering same ole questions topic.

I think most everyone in this entire thread agreed that it would be a good idea and good for information for all. But.... when one says they are tired of answering the same questions over and over it kinda portrays and sence of arrogance that they are one of the select few people who can answer the questions properly. This may not be how they feel, but it appears that way.

But like Minn said it is discussed in the inted of information and not eliminated quetions, noone should get heated


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Old 11-21-2003 | 12:09 AM
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Old 11-21-2003 | 12:10 AM
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Old 11-21-2003 | 12:22 AM
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So what topics do we want in our FAQ that SpaceClam is going to make us?

What is model airplane flight?
Flying safely - AMA and Instructors
What is a Club, and how do I find one near me?
Basic ARF Building tips.
Electronics - Radios/Recievers/Servos
Airplane Engines 101 - Glow
Airplane Engines 101 - Electric
Steering, Control Surfaces, and Sticks
Top 20 Mistakes
What is a "Trainer" airplane?

How's that for a start? - Joe
Old 11-21-2003 | 12:30 AM
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i didn't voulenteer myself, i just voulenteered a bunch of time to convince somebody else to do it
Old 11-21-2003 | 12:34 AM
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i mean look at this. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Trai..._633512/tm.htm
This thread has had 33 replies in about 17 hours. that comes out to a reply every 30 mins. that is a lot. a faq might help him narrow down the search a bit and get a price range of what it would cost before he asked the question of doom
Old 11-21-2003 | 12:37 AM
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It needs to be a team effort anyways. Decide on sections, each person takes a section, pass around a preview of each section for semi approval and hints. Something like that. That's the hard part, having either one person doing a limitted FAQ, or several people doing an awesome one, but still keeping egos and personal taste out of it. - Joe
Old 11-21-2003 | 09:15 AM
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It needs to be a team effort anyways. Decide on sections, each person takes a section, pass around a preview of each section for semi approval and hints. Something like that. That's the hard part, having either one person doing a limitted FAQ, or several people doing an awesome one, but still keeping egos and personal taste out of it. - Joe

Very true!

Here's a basic outline as I see it:
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No sir!

I have been told by the most experienced and competent RC airplane pilot on the net that all trainers all the same!


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Since I believe you were referring to this post in another thread I'll quote here in That way it won't be misintrepreted

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There is no right answer to your question only opinions!!!!!
If you do a search in this form on the topic of trainers or 1st planes you will see this same discussion over and over.

Electric VS Glow Fall into the performance price category.
To get an electric trianer similar in performance and specs to a .40 sized glow powered trianer will cost you more (mainly because of the additional batterys and charger neccessary to fly it)

Since you plan on joining a club go ask some of the instructors what specific type of plane they recomend, after all they will be teaching you.

If you perfer to buy first instead then the simplest approach is to go to the LHS and ask for a .40 RTF trainer brand really doesn't matter since they all exhibit nearly identical flying characterics. With you relative inexperience I doubt you would be able to tell the difference or care for that matter. Then go out and Learn to FLY... Thats what its about after all!!!!!! What brand trainer you pick doesn't matter since you will "love" and be partial to which ever one allows you to experience flight

Sometimes these boards take a very simple situation (like what plane to learn on) and OVER analyze it to death
Wings seem to have a habit of misquoting and or taking others comment out of context... []

Minnflyer maybe you could comment on the above rather then the paraphasing done by wings?

Also remember the context someone who has never flown any plane Anybody see where I used the phase all trainers are the same.
Old 11-21-2003 | 09:44 AM
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Are you beginning to see the CHALLENGE that writing entails? This is one of the most difficult things about doing something along the lines of an FAQ. Going back to my original post on this subject, we need writers (read- people who know how to write technical documents) who have the time to do it.

Anyone can write an FAQ, but most people would (unintentionally) raise more questions than they would answer.

Here's the bottom line....

RCU WILL have a beginners FAQ.

It's just going to take some time.
Old 11-21-2003 | 10:01 AM
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Are you beginning to see the CHALLENGE that writing entails? This is one of the most difficult things about doing something along the lines of an FAQ.
Anyone can write an FAQ, but most people would (unintentionally) raise more questions than they would answer.

Here's the bottom line....

RCU WILL have a beginners FAQ.

It's just going to take some time.

If you look at post 32 I think you will see that my point was that the FAQ's need steer away from specific product recommendations or endorcements. Rather they should attempt to provide answers to the more generic terms like how to compare differents types of radios, engines, and planes.

If someone wants to know if an lt-40 is a better plane then an Eagle II that should be left to "old" post a thread method and count up the responses.

FAQs covering computer vs nocomputer radios (regardless of brand) ball bearing vs bushed engines I think would be of great help to everyone and yes they would be difficult to write in a manner that prevent more questions from arising.
Old 11-21-2003 | 10:49 AM
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FAQ's need steer away from specific product recommendations or endorcements. Rather they should attempt to provide answers to the more generic terms like how to compare differents types of radios, engines, and planes.
Exactly my point (or, one of them anyway).

We don't want to say: "You need to start out with something like the Sig LT-40". Although many of us agree that an LT-40 is an excellent trainer, personally, I would rather see: "It is advisable to start with a High-Wing Trainer type airplane".

Recommendations CAN be made, but there should be several to choose from, and it should be noted that these are not the ONLY ones we recommend, they are just examples of trainers that the writer has first hand knowledge of.

(See how complicated writing is?)
Old 11-21-2003 | 11:05 AM
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We don't want to say: "You need to start out with something like the Sig LT-40". Although many of us agree that an LT-40 is an excellent trainer, personally, I would rather see: "It is advisable to start with a High-Wing Trainer type airplane".
YES exactly
Old 11-21-2003 | 11:09 AM
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OK OK OK
I'm startin to get won over.
After reading / rereading / and rerereading this and many other discussions about this topic I officially conceed to the idea that a properly written FAQ is a good idea.
What got me was when I was sittin here thinkin up ideas for the FAQ!
I said to myself/ geez Aaron/ your thinking about contributing to the very thing your opposing.
I then decided that I'd ought to reconsider my stand on this issue.
I'm still concerned about people gettin blown off all the time with the response.
CHECK THE FAQ!
But we'll see.
Old 11-21-2003 | 12:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: Crashem
Since I believe you were referring to this post in another thread I'll quote here in That way it won't be misintrepreted
Actually, I think he was referring to my quote earlier in this thread that said, "All trainers fly about the same." To clarify, I was really talking about from the point of view of a newbie. Experienced pilots can probably tell the difference, but newbies are so intent on learning they can't tell the difference. For example, when I was learning, I went from a GP Trainer 40 (Bridi design) to a U.S. Aircore trainer, and I swear I could not tell any difference. I'm sure now I'd think they flew differently (you could not find two more different trainers), but the point is for training, they both did the job.

As I said, I was just referring to flying. Personally I am a great fan of Spads and durable airplanes, so I would never say, "All trainers are alike".

Anyway, whoever he was referring to, I did not appreciate Wings' sarcasm.
Old 11-21-2003 | 12:37 PM
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If some of you members would like to lend us a helping hand to create a beginner faq please write up the question and the answer and send it to erick royer with the subject "Beginner FAQ submission". His email is eroyer at rcuniverse dot com (spam cloaker!). We would like to put together an FAQ for beginners and toss it in the magazine and university.
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If some of you members would like to lend us a helping hand to create a beginner faq please write up the question and the answer and send it to erick royer with the subject "Beginner FAQ submission". His email is eroyer at rcuniverse dot com (spam cloaker!). We would like to put together an FAQ for beginners and toss it in the magazine and university.
Why not simply retrieve your list of questions from the threads in this forum. Most of the thread titles are written in the form of a question???
Old 11-21-2003 | 03:23 PM
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BTW I agree with you most beginners I don't think would notice or care about the slight differences in flying characterics between one trainner and another. If they could you would see one dominate the market yet on every thread I've ever seen here you are usually provided with a heathly list of selections to choose from
Old 11-21-2003 | 04:02 PM
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what about the reply box looking at your question, and susgesting a few FAQ posts you should look at before procedding with the new post.. i know everyone wants to ask their own question and get a personal question, but some of the time old questions are getting dull and i don't bother answering anymore
Old 11-21-2003 | 05:07 PM
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WOW MinnFlyer........I don't know what to say about the picture. That is great. I would want to know how much information that we could get from the tens of thousands of people that love to site to talk to other people.
Old 11-21-2003 | 05:44 PM
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Ok, I can see from Minn Flyer where he wants to go with this. I have no problem with a faq, but then lets use it. If someone comes on and asks a question cover by the faq, point them to it. I have seen to many time where a lot of work goes into a faq, but then never or seldom utilized. This also means we do not have to be rude and strictly refuse to answer. Then once it is completed (the hard part) we will need to review it once in awhile to make sure it is current (not sure how it would change though if we keep it generic and true to the basics).

Of course we will get the same question of Which is the best. Same thing for all the equipment we use. We will still have interaction here.
Old 11-21-2003 | 06:28 PM
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