i think your superstar has only one aileron servo though ?? If it is the Superstar Select trainer.

No coupling there.

Even if it did have coupling, that doesn't mean anything. Most aircraft need some type of elevator trim adjustment when the flaps are lowered. That does not make an elevator/flap mix flaperons. It makes it elevator/flap mixing and nothing more.

I just wanted to see three quotes in one post.....[sm=stupid.gif]

When quotes are coupled like this are they Quoterons? Quotervators?

Thats a good question! [sm=lol.gif]

Quintquotelets!

I know it only has one servo but if i peel of the covering and add to rectangles of balsa between two of the ribs to where the pushrods still line up the i can conect them through a y-harness

Tell me something guys, when you're out there doing climbing inverted flatspins with your flaperon equipped stunt ships, do you like to be coupled or uncoupled?

Depends... is said stunt ship equipped with slatervaterons to establish laminar flow at the critical pressure boundary? Or are we talking your typical morris the knife?

If it hasnt already been pointed out then I would like to say that combatpigg is right when he defined flaperons. I didnt really have time to wade through all of the jargon and technical babble. It really doesnt matter what your dictionary may or may not say but take it from a member of the 3D world (where we do a lot of mixing). Flaperons = Ailerons moving opposite of elevator (i.e. elevator goes up then both ailerons kick down. Spoilerons = Ailerons moving in the same direction as the elevators (i.e. elevator goes up then both ailerons kick up).

If you still dont beleive me I will have one of the big sponsored 3D pilots come in and set it all straight.

ICEMAN! It seems to me that you could peel the covering on each wing panel and drop in a couple{there's that word again]servos. Reenforce both ribs that you are installing the servo between with some balsa scrap, and use some spruce or any other kind of hardwood for the servo mounting rails that bridge between your beefed up ribs. the rails only need to be 1/8" by 3/8" thick to do the job in a 40 size ship. CAFEENMAN! Don't know what slatervaterons are, and when I posed the question, and showed your thread to the boys at the club meeting, all I got from the guys in the peanut gallery were some very impressed looks.[X(][X(][X(] Keep up the good work, guy!!

I don't even understand why you are debating this. You are absolutely wrong. Where do you people get the idea that flaperons have anything to do with elevators??? That's utter nonsense.

Anyway, several people have provided plenty of information on what flaperons are. Believe what you want.

SOUTHERNTOUCH9!! Where have you been guy? I've had to hold these non believers off alone. They are correct, when you take only the purest, literal translation. I would hate to know what they think about,"Spare the rod, spoil the child"!

From Futaba (the same people who make the manual that was offered as proof):

http://www.futabarc.com/faq/faq-9c-q514.html

More links of interest:

http://www.mindspring.com/~cramskill/flaperon.htm

http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/flaperons.html

http://www.avidair.com/features.html

More from Futaba:

http://www.futaba-rc.com/faq/faq-9z-q175.html

Im here to save the day combatpigg. I sent some PM's out to some of the top pilots in the Nation. If you dont beleive the guys who fly in XFC, WAFC, Tuscon shootout, etc. then who are you going to beleive? Webster never flew an R/C airplane.

CafeenMan,
If Futaba defines flaperon as you have posted above then there is no doubt that is known as a flaperon. However you should keep in mind that with many words in the english lang. there is more than one definition. Like it or not combatpiggs definition is accepted by all of the pilots in the 3D world and by the majority of the R/C community.

I personally don't care what Futaba says about flaperons. The only reason I dug up the Futaba stuff was because earlier CombatPigg used a reference from a Futaba manual as proof that flaperons include elevator. So either he is wrong about the Futaba manual or Futaba is contradicting itself. As I said in my first response to that, the Futaba manuals have a lot of errors in them.

Second, "most" of the r/c community DOES NOT think that elevator is part of flaperons. Anybody can make a statement like that, but you didn't actually go out and do a survey to find out what "most" people think did you?

I've been doing this for over 30 years in a lot of different places and until this thread I've never heard a single person mention elevator as being part of the flaperon equation. That's just something that your circle of people misunderstood and are now perpetuating and spreading bad information. In other words, you're doing a disservice to anyone who looks to you for information.

SOUTHERNTOUCH9!!! I just put you in my will!

A little argument about "surfing" happened at a computer forum a while back. A couple individuals, that I believe never seen the ocean, kept saying that "surfing" is a term copied by the bums that ride waves on the ocean from the internet "surfing" term. The answer is more logical than our topic at hand but it demonstrates that it depends on the "circles" some individuals have been most of their life and how easily it can slowly change the real meaning of some terms.

Another good term that has different meaning for many people is "morphing".

When you can't be right, you can always start a support group.

Cafeenman, My 10 year old daughter uses the same exact line. You guys must watch a lot of the same TV shows.

Everybody can't be wrong.

PS. I don't watch any tv at all. Television rots brains.

Futaba contradicting themselves NEVER!!!

Thats why I fly Hitech

If you have never heard of it then you dont browse the 3D forum much (though they mainly talk about spoilerons b/c they are more effective for most 3D stuff). Here are a couple of links.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_12...tm.htm#1298078
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_84.../tm.htm#847772

Now I am going to have to go dig through Futabas setup errrrr [>:]

From a couple of the websites I have been reading most of them spell Flapperons with two p's.

SOUTHERNTOUCH9!! Confuscious say, "Never argue with a guy who has laminar flow over his critical pressure boundaries!", Regards, COMBATPIGG