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Old 01-12-2004 | 09:15 AM
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What really is the flapperon?? i know its a mixing with the ailerons, but... is it works like flaps? here's my question... i have the G2 flight simulator, and the plane "dazzler" have flapperons, and when i put it on, both ailerons dont go down, except if you move elevator up and vice-versa (both ailerons up-elevator down), so, when you dont touch in the elevator, even with flaperons on, nothing appens. Is this a flapperon? because if it is, it is not like flaps. Tks, sorry about my english
Old 01-12-2004 | 09:38 AM
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This is a much debated issue.

Traditionally, Flaperons are used to lower the "neutral" position of both ailerons so that the ailerons effectively behave like flaps. This is exactly what you thought flapperons are.

In the 3D world of flying, the elevator is not enough of a control surface for some, so they couple the ailerons to the elevator channel so that when the elevator stick is pushed forward (down), the ailerons move UP, and when the elevator is pulled back (up), the ailerons move down. This makes the plane do more aggressive loops. For example, when you want to do a loop, you pull back on the stick. The ailerons behave like flaps, and increase the lift over the wings, pulling the plane UP. This amplifies the work done by the elevator.

Now, the 3D people like to call their setup "Flaperons" as well, but the purpose of their setup is totally different than the traditional motivation.

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Old 01-12-2004 | 09:40 AM
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Flapperons can have a few meanings. In its truest sense, it is when both ailerons drop slightly to simulate flaps (usually for landing).

The other way they can work is how you described, although this is more commonly called "Spoilerons"
Old 01-12-2004 | 09:46 AM
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Assuming a conventional aircraft with wing and an aft stabilizer:
Spoilerons: elevator and ailerons move in the same direction
Flaperons: elevator and ailerons move in opposite directions

/red B.
Old 01-12-2004 | 11:23 AM
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Let's not confuse a new guy. The term "flaperon" is used several places for different things.

The term "flaperon" is a combination of the words flap and aileron. In RC, what we generally mean is to use strip ailerons together as flaps. Normally this is done by selecting a Flaperon Wing Type in your computer radio and plugging dual aileron servos into 2 different channels on the receiver, the aileron channel (usually the right side) and the flap channel (usually channel 6 for the left side). This allows an internal mixing program to join the 2 channels to they may be used in opposite directions for ailerons and the same direction for flaps.

Activation of the flap function may be done by a knob or a switch or by setting another function in your radio which will give you flap movement in conjunction with the elevator similar to a control line stunt plane, stunt flaps.

If the flaps are set to move up instead of down with the knob or switch, you normally call them spoilers or spoilerons because they "spoil" lift as is done on full scale planes. You may also set the Flap knob in the middle so turning one way gives down flaps and turning the other way gives up spoilers. Spoilerons may also be coupled to the elevator, moving the same direction as the elevator. This setting is sometimes used on fun fly planes to assist in harriers and elevators.

So if someone says they have flaperons set, he may mean he is using a Flaperon Wing Type, or he is using ailerons for flaps with the Flap knob or Landing Switch, or he may mean he has stunt flaps set. I like to use the Flaperon Wing Type because it gives me individual adjustment of each aileron. I can set the neutral using Sub Trim for each side and also the individual end points. I hardly ever use the stunt flap setting for opposite direction flaps, but I do use Spoilerons on fun fly planes.
Old 01-12-2004 | 11:47 AM
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Awh c'mon guys, not this again
Old 01-12-2004 | 01:45 PM
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Seriously!

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