I found a deal for a new rtf .40 hangar 9 arrow, for $290 . If i decide, tomorrow i will be able to buy it. This will be my first plane. Any opinions, suggestions, tips about this plane?

Just keep in mind it only has a 4 channel radio. If you want to get a plane later on that has flaps, retracts, etc.. You will have to buy a radio with more channels. I almost bought that, but I decided not because I wanted 6 channel radio.


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Should i buy a piper cub j3 sig kit LASER cut? i can get it for $110 . How do these laser kits come? do they at least come painted?

If this is your first plane I would suggest getting a trainer. There a bunches of good ones. I had a Sig LT 40, it was great. The Arrow is probably a good choice too. I was just saying to take the radio into consideration. If you plan on sticking in the hobby you will need more channels down the road.

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The Sig Cub is a kit. It comes with all the wooden parts to make the model and a few hardware items.

It will not include things such as glue, coverings, fuel tank etc. It is a kit so you will have to build it yourself. The Sig kits are 'proper' kits so will take quite a while to build but should result in a nice aircraft.

They are not painted, they are not even covered. They will need covering in a traditional material and dope, or much more commonly these days a heat shrink fabric or plastic. It will obviously not come with any radio system or engine.

The cub looks like an easy plane to fly, and in the air it is. They are a little tricky to take off due to the tail dragger configuration. Not ideally suited as a trainer (but a lot better than the P51)

This is a completely different airplane from the ARF trainers that you are looking at. Please do not rush out and buy something. I know it is tempting (I have kits sitting in my room at the moment that I have bought and not got round to building). Make sure that you know exactly what you want and then, and only then, go a buy it knowing that you have exactly the right thing.

I have seen your other posts and know that you are looking into visiting a club. I would suggest that you don't buy anything until you have spoken to them. They will advise you on things like, which manufacturer of radio to buy and what mode (whether the throttle is on the left or right stick). If you get these wrong then you may struggle to find someone who can teach you to fly.

They will also have particular favourite models. I am not suggesting that you should buy what they tell you, but listen to what they have to say and then make up your own mind.

You are going the right way by asking questions here. Just hang on a bit longer and it will all be worth it in the long run. I promise.

Ok, i guess ill get this arrow, its cheap enough that i can buy it. I think i can really actually get it for ~$230 leaving room for a video kit , going to the video section now . If i get this with video, this plane will last me for years, ill never get bored of it.

Oh dear, I thought we were getting somewhere. Forget the video for the time being.

Have you decided what mode you are getting? Do you know if this is compatable with your instructors buddy box? Do you know what a buddy box is?

Will your video kit require a servo or channel? If so, you will not have enough channels.



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I had an ARROW for a trainer, it flew good till the ground got in my way.

GTac,
Please listen to us. Forget the Arrow or anything else until you know what you're doing! While the Arrow MAY be a good trainer, you really don't know if it's going to be what you want yet. HAVE PATIENCE.

By the way, a RTF plane will take about 8 to 10 hours to assemble, an ARF will take anywhere from 15 to 40 hours depending on your skill level, a kit like that Sig J3 would probably take someone without experience anywhere from 150 to 250 hours to finish and get it air worthy. (Some kits could take much longer for a newbie.)

Go to the field, watch planes fly, look at trainers, ask questions!

If you do decide to just jump in, don't say we didn't warn you. [&o]
Dennis-

Yep... SLOW DOWN!

OK... the Arow is a decent beginner's package. Nothing wrong with it. BUT... If you don't slow down a bit and listen, you'll pile it in mighty quick. (if you don't slice open a finger starting the engine.)

Get some in-person assistance.

There's NOTHING wrong with starting with a basic 4 ch system. The servos, RX and airborne battery would cost almost as much as the complete 4 ch radio system. If you stick with it... your next radio can be that nice 6 ch or better computer radio... and if you get it on the same frequency... you already have 2 flight packs. If you get it on a different frequency... you can bring 2 planes to the field ready tofly... and have less chance of having to wait on a frequency pin. (you just can't lose...)

Im getting this arrow, i dont care about buddy boxing, im going to learn with real flight.

While a Sim will HELP it will not teach you many things. There is a good chance that you will still destroy your plane, but best of luck to ya'.
Dennis-

I helped someone with an arrow recently The plane flies a bit fast for a person who is a bit slow to learn. Something with a bigger wing and/or a flat bottom airfoil is a tad easier.

Good luck with it. Real Flight is great. Its not impossible to succeed with Real Flight alone, just improbable.

And as St. Sigafoose, the Patron Saint of Lost Models says: may your glide slope be shallow and your impact gentle.

I hope we don't see a thread here in a couple of weeks saying one of the following:

a) I just destroyed my plane and its engine/radio on the first flight.
b) I just cut my finger off trying to start the engine.
c) I started the engine, my plane roared off and I hit something/somebody.
d) I lost control of my model (NB NOT TOY) and hit someone/something.

With that attitude I think that one of these threads is highly possible. I just hope that it is only the first one that appears (if any).

Hahahaha, i know 2 people who learned on real flight, and besides Its NOT that hard... Im afraid you wont see a b c or d [:'(]

Besides, guess what I got: http:// cgi. ebay .com /ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3174948765

Wait, slow down!!!!!

Even for us "Nintendo Generation" (I think I saw someone say that!) it is hard.

I can't impress on you enough, I DO think that one can learn to fly by ones self. But listen: why?

You got a good deal, it looks like, on that Arrow. Don't trash it.

You run that risk flying by yourself, RealFlight or not. RealFlight is a practise tool; it is not necessarily a good teaching tool, although it can be used that way. I learned how to fly an electic plane by myself; Hobby Zone's Firebird XL. When it came to my first trainer (the Kadet LT-40) I was tempted not to go with an Instructor. I am glad that I did. It is very comforting to know that an expericanced pilot is standing next to me with the ability to take over for me if I goof up. I enjoyed myself MUCH more learning how to fly the Kadet than the Firebird.

After all, that is what this is all about; to enjoy yourself. Why should you risk that, and hurting other people and/or property

In closing, I just want you to know that no one thinks that you are incapible, just that they want you to have the best chance of soloing on the same plane with no repair job.

take a look at my Kadet at this link www.geocites.com/atuckfield88/PlanePictures.html download the picture and open it up in a bigger format. All we had to do after a summer of flying was wash it down. I did not so much as put a pinhole in the skin. That is what can happen with an Instructor. While I do not have a picture of my Firebird, let me tell you - I went through to wings, a tail piece and a prop

Anyhow, I have to get off, I have pontificated long enough!

I can see how people's negative remarks can get you on the defense. You are kind of right, learning to fly isn't THAT hard. The thing is, you only have one shot at it, unless you have plenty of money to keep buying planes.

Well obviously he's a natural at absolutely everything he attempts, so he won't have any problems. One shot is more than he'll need.

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GTaco,

Let me know when your going to solo!!! I wanna be there. Seriously, I WANT to be there!!!!

Happy Landings,

Sean

GTac01

How can you tell me it's not that hard when you haven't done it?

I have a fair amount of experience in this field and it is not easy. Sure, it is not impossible to learn with real flight. It is very good. However there is a lot more to learn besides pointing your aircraft around with the sticks. If you have help on the ground (it sounds like you do) then hopefully that will save you any embarrassment trying to operate your engine.

I hope that we don't see the suggestions I made above. I hope that you find it really easy a have loads of fun.

At least the model that you have bought looks suitable. Maybe you have been listening to us.