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I see there are some that think one plane is a better trainer than the other and i would like to know why some think the Nexstar is a harder trainer to fly than the Hanger 9 for beginners ?.I'm talking about the Arrow Semi-Symmetrical RTF Trainer and the Nexstar 46 select RTF so which one is the best in your opinions.
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Often... its just personal preference.
The NexStar is a special case... The AFS is something that people are not used to. That makes it so the instructors who are used to a certain response from the trainer won't be prepaired for the effect of the AFS. Then the airbrakes under th ailerons have a big effect on how the airplane responds... and the leading edge stall prevention attachments change the responses... Its just DIFFERENT. That doesn't make it bad.
The reports on the AFS that are good all say.... Don't turn the gain up too much or it will cause problems. That is quite understandable... as the design of the AFS and the Co-Pilot devices (similar idea) tries to take control and keep the airplane level DESPITE some stick movemnt to bank (necessary for good turns...) climb or dive ON PURPOSE. If the system is set up to take control at less than 1/2 stick... it will drive someone not used to the system nuts. (Unless he understands it and EXPECTS it.)
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Sometimes its a quality control issue with a kit... There have been sone ARF trainers that had some serious quality control issues. Most of those have been corrected... most of the rest are no longer on the market. (then some new ones come out... and new defects can be found...) Generally, the manufacturer wants the thing to be a deecent product, so the end user will tell his friends how GOOD it is and more will sell. I don't know of any manufaturer that isn't interrested in getting GOOD reports on thier products. (and very few will totally ignore bad reports... Thos companies don't stay in business long.)
The NexStar is a special case... The AFS is something that people are not used to. That makes it so the instructors who are used to a certain response from the trainer won't be prepaired for the effect of the AFS. Then the airbrakes under th ailerons have a big effect on how the airplane responds... and the leading edge stall prevention attachments change the responses... Its just DIFFERENT. That doesn't make it bad.
The reports on the AFS that are good all say.... Don't turn the gain up too much or it will cause problems. That is quite understandable... as the design of the AFS and the Co-Pilot devices (similar idea) tries to take control and keep the airplane level DESPITE some stick movemnt to bank (necessary for good turns...) climb or dive ON PURPOSE. If the system is set up to take control at less than 1/2 stick... it will drive someone not used to the system nuts. (Unless he understands it and EXPECTS it.)
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Sometimes its a quality control issue with a kit... There have been sone ARF trainers that had some serious quality control issues. Most of those have been corrected... most of the rest are no longer on the market. (then some new ones come out... and new defects can be found...) Generally, the manufacturer wants the thing to be a deecent product, so the end user will tell his friends how GOOD it is and more will sell. I don't know of any manufaturer that isn't interrested in getting GOOD reports on thier products. (and very few will totally ignore bad reports... Thos companies don't stay in business long.)
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Thanks FHHuber,i take it you can disable the AFS ,and take the airbrakes off but the leading edge stall prevention attachment,can it be taken off as well on a later date?.It's $100.00 more than the Hanger 9 but i like the way the wing is fixed,no rubbber bands but that could be a disadvantage in some cases i'm thinking.
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5spot, The leading edge attachment does come off when you're ready to advance. I agree with FH, most is personal preferrence when it comes to different plane. I personally learned and train newbies with a Sig Seniorita, it flies slower and floats better. MY personal preferrence. Hope you have success with what ever you choose. Good luck. B
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1st, I think most will agree that almost any RTF out there is pretty good and you won't find too much difference in the way they handle except for the Nexstar.
I just got back into flying about six months ago and I started back with an Alpha. I would recommend it over the others for a couple of simple reasons. It includes a three-blade prop and a weighted flywheel on the motor. The prop reduces the top speed which gives you more time to think. Its also nice in hard landings since it is much less prone to hitting the ground since there is more clearance. The weighted flywheel is great for beginners because they just don't have to worry about getting the engine perfectly tuned. That was one of my biggest gripes about flying, trying to get the engine tuned so that it would idle down low enough so that the airplane wasn't trying to take off when I was just sitting on the runway.
I think the Nexstar is a nice airplane but it costs a lot more than an Alpha for stuff that I doubt most people need. I would say most people could easily learn on a mildly aerobatic plane like a four-star if they use an instructor. The Nexstar just seems to me to go overboard.
If I can answer any questions let me know. Good Luck!
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I just got back into flying about six months ago and I started back with an Alpha. I would recommend it over the others for a couple of simple reasons. It includes a three-blade prop and a weighted flywheel on the motor. The prop reduces the top speed which gives you more time to think. Its also nice in hard landings since it is much less prone to hitting the ground since there is more clearance. The weighted flywheel is great for beginners because they just don't have to worry about getting the engine perfectly tuned. That was one of my biggest gripes about flying, trying to get the engine tuned so that it would idle down low enough so that the airplane wasn't trying to take off when I was just sitting on the runway.
I think the Nexstar is a nice airplane but it costs a lot more than an Alpha for stuff that I doubt most people need. I would say most people could easily learn on a mildly aerobatic plane like a four-star if they use an instructor. The Nexstar just seems to me to go overboard.
If I can answer any questions let me know. Good Luck!
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Also, not to interrupt, but CG has sorta ignored my emails asking why I got such a wacko Tiger II.
To a newbie, the Tiger II's construction and parts(or lack of parts that said it would include) are a pain...
Maybe for those oldbies and seasoned pros a Tiger II is cool.
But CG has been in business for a long time, yet I know of one other person who has had problems with Goldberg..
Also a really good manufacturer is Global Hobby and its sub-brands. When my carb on my magnum was broken partly by me they sent me a new one for free, and I got it in 2 weeks (including the Christmas holiday week!) so that's only 1 week w/o the holiday!
To a newbie, the Tiger II's construction and parts(or lack of parts that said it would include) are a pain...
Maybe for those oldbies and seasoned pros a Tiger II is cool.
But CG has been in business for a long time, yet I know of one other person who has had problems with Goldberg..
Also a really good manufacturer is Global Hobby and its sub-brands. When my carb on my magnum was broken partly by me they sent me a new one for free, and I got it in 2 weeks (including the Christmas holiday week!) so that's only 1 week w/o the holiday!
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www.jkaerotech.com , 5-spot try here, look up the T-52 trainer 52 is the wingspan and
since you rubber band the wing on it fits in my Miata just fine I use a Norvel .049 on mine, it really floats around up there....just another idea for you to look over...Rog
since you rubber band the wing on it fits in my Miata just fine I use a Norvel .049 on mine, it really floats around up there....just another idea for you to look over...Rog
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My bad?? bought a graupner j3 Cub. and and I gaze at its completed magnificence my eyes are drawn to just now narrow the wheel displacement is... then that reminded me of the problems the German pilots had with the 109... I can just see me all over the runway until i dump it....$$ chick ching..
So I guess my question is should i get a different trainer ?? and is a trike a better trainer that a tail dragger ?...
PS getting rather goot with G2
So I guess my question is should i get a different trainer ?? and is a trike a better trainer that a tail dragger ?...
PS getting rather goot with G2



