Okay all my models are 40size nitro upwards which i fly at our field the problem is that now we have that many restrictions on when we can fly that i seem to miss all the great weather and when i can fly it's raining what i need is something electric that i can fly in my park but not one of these aerobird style thingys it has to be a proper model with ailerons etc be capable of basic aerobatics but able to be flown in a park. I dont really want to spend any more than about £200 for the plane, rx, motor and esc so brushless is out the question nor do i want something that gets blown all over the place with the slightest bit of wind do you think this is too tall an order, thanks in advance Lee.

P.s It would be an advantage not to have to buy mini servos etc as i have loads of standard servos knocking around.

With all of your restrictions it makes it hard to give you a specific model.

Try looking at Zagi's, The GWS line of planes and moutain models.

Remember most park flyers by design are not going to compare to the types of planes you seem used to however there is something quit relaxing about flying a GWS Tigermoth full bore (about 7-10mph) around the park at 10ft above the ground. You might find the lower performance models make up in flying satisfication what they lack in flight capabilities

This doesn't meet all your requirements, but here goes:

I also have 3 or 4 40 size glow planes. Because the field is about 30 mins away, I wanted something that I could just throw up at the park behind my house. I also didn't want an Aerobird type plane. What I ended up getting is the new ParkZone J3 cub. It does not have ailerons, but other than that it is quite fun. $159 complete, I also spent $19 to get an extra battery pack. The setup includes a 12V cigarette charger that will fully charge a depleted battery in 40 mins. And it fits in the back seat of my car without taking the wing off.

Try a Clancy Aviation plane (w/wingeron) or a 1/2 A scale plane ( I have a Herr Texan).
The texan is fast and real snappy with a norvel .061 Kit was about $60 + $45 for engine and about $40 for misc (tank, mount, wheels, coating, hinges et cetera) I also have a GWS tiger moth for putting around when I want less intence flying (and no wind).

Sky scooter, flys great, aileron plane, and easy to repair. Even with models ranging from .40 glow to a 25% gas, I still fly the sky scooter just as often (or more so!) then everything else.

Don't know how the standard servos would work - but you might at least look at the [link=http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/128405.asp]Watt-Age Super Impress ARF[/link]. There's a review of it somewhere here at RCU.

You cannot use standard servos.

The wind will be a problem. A Zagi may be best suited for the wind.

Try going to Mountainmodels.com and watch the videos. You do not need a trainer so I would recommend the Flashback or the Miniflash or the Switchback or the Tantrum for 3D. I just bought the Miniflash. These planes are well designed, easy to build and light enough you can fly them without brushless motors, and without lithium batteries.

Power system design is way harder in the electric side:
Use 8 cell, KAN batteries if you do not go Lithium Ion.
Research Lithium before you decide to buy because of the safety hazards.
Use a high geared motor setup, I use the GWS "D" gears. (EPS350C-D)
Use a big prop (11 or 12 inches)
Use a 20 amp esc like a Pixie 20P.

I just bought a glow fuel plane to better cope with the wind, but my electric Dandy GT is a lot of fun to fly. You can bring it in so much closer.

In my town it isn't all that easy to find an empty park - so much sports going on constantly.

Good Luck!

I second the 1/2 A gas option. Take a look at the ACE simple 400. Or in the 1/2A fourm Jeremy Chins Half Wit or the Edgling that he is kitting. All these planes are highly aerobatic and will burn up the sky in a very small area. The Norvel .061 or .074 are the ticket for both these planes. You could build any one of them for under a hundred bucks.

Just my opinion.

Rrragman

Just test flew the GWS Moth 400 with ailerons yesrerday. Stock motor,gearbox that came with it. Li-Poly 2100 batt. Fully aerobatic. Loops, rolls, rolling circles. Inverted flight. The whole 9 yards. very satisfied with it.

Cheers for all the ideas guys i now have some research to do but i do like the sound of the wattage super-impress or the zagi ill will also go and have a look at mountain models cheers again to all of you regards Lee.
p.s ill let you know what i end up with!!

Potensky Cobra or Eagle (Reviewed on this site http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...?article_id=93 ). If you're lookign for something capable of anything then I'd pick up one of these or the Christen Eagle. These are all awesome planes and they are nearly indestructible. I have the Cobra and I'm extremely pleased.

I think Uncas gave the best advice. Go look at Mountain Models for their impressive electrics.
Dennis-

Cheers guys i thing this model looks quite good its the mountain models tantrum http://www.mountainmodels.com/TantrumBL1.wmv

Yep it's nice. How much are you going to have in that plane?

Plane - $?
Brushless motor - $?
ESC $?
Lipo pac $?
Lipo compatable charger $?
2nd lipo pack $?
RX $?
Servos $?

As you said all your other planes are 40 -60 gas. Your going to spend alot of cash on this "park Flyer". I'm guessing it's a 4 to 5 hundred dollar plane by the time your done. IMO

Darren

Sorry i posted the wrong video the actual one is this its the same model but with a standard motor and ni-mh batteries so i dont think it will be too mutch over budget (maybe a bit but it looks worth it)


http://www.mountainmodels.com/Tantrum.wmv

Cheers Lee.

Being an electric guy let me add here.

What makes many electrics suitable for the "park" is their smaller size, lighter weight and their ability to fly fairly slow. To do that you need to keep them light and standard servos are not really going to meet the need, but might work in some of them. However microservos are not that expensive.

Here is the key question. How much space do you think you have? Is it 100 square meters or is it 1000 square meters. That will tell you something about the speed of the plane you want to fly.

A ZAGI fix might fly comfortably in a 100 square meters but some of the ZAGIs do 70 MPH out of the box.

A slow stick or a tiger moth can be flown indoors or in a 30X30 meter space space. Theycan fly so slowly you can trot next to them. Get a 4 mph wind and you can hover them motionless, even walk up and pet the plane in flight. But you would need micro servos and a micro receiver along with the appropriately light NIMH or LIPoly batteries.

You can pick up a tiger moth or a slow stick 3 channel plane for about $40 US with the motor included. Add a GWS a flight pack that includes servos, ESC, receiver and flight battery for $80-110 US. The e-starter is a 4 channel parky that flys pretty slow. The somewhat larger Tiger Moth 400 with ailerons is about $70 US and can handle mini sized equipment. You might be able to use standard servos and a standard receiver but the extra weight is going to drag the plane down.

Final message is that electric parkflyers can be VERY fast and requrie a lot of space. If you don't have that space, go for a slow flyer.

I agree with RKramer, The Sky Scooter pro II flys mores like a Glow powered plane than anything I have ever flown in electrics before. Get a Radio Shack 9.6v battery and you can get 15 minute flight times.