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Old 12-19-2004 | 09:04 PM
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My modified LT-40 with flaps is ready to fly. The bomb bay pushed the servos rearward and the .56 Saito doesn't quite balance it up front. I found a weighted spinner at the swapmeet that nearly balances the airplane. My question (this is my first four stroke) has to do with the locknut. Do I put the nut/locknut/spinner combo on all together or do I use the spinner as a jam nut against the primary propeller nut?

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Old 12-19-2004 | 09:36 PM
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Default RE: Weighted spinner on 4 stroke?

Use the spinner as the Jam nut. I've flown a Saito .56 with a CBI associates spinner adapter in place of the lock nut and not had a problem for many flights. Just put a wrench on it periodically and make sure it's still tight, you should be good.


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What prop are you guys using with your 56's? I've tried everything, and they all seem about the same to me (I've tried 11 x7, 12 x 5, 12 x 8). I had a 12 x 8 apc, but that was too much. the 12 x 8 mas will turn ok, but I'm only getting about 8-9000 rpm. the 11 inch props give good rpm's (about 12000), but still seem small. I literally wen through about 4 or 5 props yesterday trying to find the best combo for this engine. I'm fixing to put this engine into a contender that I'm building, and want to get as much speed as possible. I know this engine is not a speed deamon, but I think it's capable of more than I'm getting from it right now. I'm running 15 % fuel right now. Would an 11 x 8 apc give me any more? suggestions????
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but since we were talking saito 56's....
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DuBro makes a weighted washer designed to go between the prop and nut, comes in 1/2 oz, and 1oz. sizes. I use the 1 oz underneath the adapter nut for my Dave Brown aluminum spinner, also on a .56 Saito. This is on a Rascal 40, which gained some tail weight after a crunch and rebuild.

As far as props for this engine go, I started out using a 12-5 MA K-series on my 40 Rascal. It would turn 9800-9900 on 15% fuel, but my airspeed wasn't quite what I wanted, so I tried a 12-6, it only dropped rpms about 150 and gave noticeably better airspeed and climb performance. I'm planning on putting this plane on floats next summer and want more thrust, so I've tried a 13-6 MA. The plane really hauls, now, not much faster than the 12-6, but a bunch more vertical performance, which tells me more thrust; the downside is that it eats the rpm, dropped it to about 8200 and slows throttle response a little, takes more power to spin the prop. My next step is to try a 12-5 or-6 three blade to address the thrust issue, and I'm also going to try 20 or even 25% nitro and see what happens with power. Personally, from all the flying I've done on the Rascal, I think the engine is happiest with a 12-5 or 12-6. Of course a different style prop could give different performance, such as a APC. I also think that the weighted washer has a small mass effect, even though it is close to the center, there is a small inertial component that slows the engine's response.
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Default RE: Weighted spinner on 4 stroke?

Thanks for the ideas! I have not tried a 6 pitch prop yet. I've tried 12 x 5, but like you do not like the performance all that well. I've tried a 12 x 8, but can't see that much of a difference in speed. Maybe because it's loading the engine too much. I'll try the 12 x 6 and see what happens! Thanks a lot!
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Default RE: Weighted spinner on 4 stroke?

I had the same problem on an OS 91.I used a brass domed nut and counterbored it so that it covered the manufactueres nuts to give a better look.
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Default RE: Weighted spinner on 4 stroke?

I have a Saito 56 on an H9 Cub and I needed a ton of nose weight. I used a Harry Higgly brass prop nut, with a HH brass lock nut... don't know if I'm using the right name.

Basically, mount the propeller, and install the HH lock nut. It's a thin brass nut, but large diameter. Uses a 17mm wrench IIRC. I tighten that lightly, then install the large heavy prop nut. I tighten that up against the lock nut. Works great. I've never had a problem, and I don't use the Saito prop nut or washer at all.

I use a 13x5 MA K prop on mine, and get about 10,400 max rpm, and then richen it up to 96-9800. I'm a little surprised that you guys aren't getting more RPM with those 12x5's.

I recently tried a wooden 12x6, and I think I like it, though I'll have to test more. Definitely winds up faster than the 13x5 MAS.
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Default RE: Weighted spinner on 4 stroke?

ORIGINAL: a65l

Use the spinner as the Jam nut. I've flown a Saito .56 with a CBI associates spinner adapter in place of the lock nut and not had a problem for many flights. Just put a wrench on it periodically and make sure it's still tight, you should be good.


Andy

Same here. All my enegines have the small solid starter cone and thats all i
use to hold the prop on. Do check for tightness quite often. Never had a problem
yet and have been using them evey since they come out.
Old 12-21-2004 | 10:26 PM
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Default RE: Weighted spinner on 4 stroke?

Thanks for the good info. Answered my prop question too!
Greg

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