Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
02-03-2005 | 06:34 PM
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You won't regret your decision. The Alpha is a fine trainer, and you can easily modify it later on if you want to. Don't worry about how fast you progress, just fly it, and it will take you where you want to go. It is a fun plane to fly, and you could modify it later easily if you want to.
02-03-2005 | 07:18 PM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
Quick question
This is so different than the AEROBIRD when turning. On the sim when I go left or right (on the right stick) instead of a perfect turn it rolls. How do I turn the plane? For instance if I am standing behind it how do I turn it completely around. I know what you are saying "Darn its going to be a long road for him." Thanks
This is so different than the AEROBIRD when turning. On the sim when I go left or right (on the right stick) instead of a perfect turn it rolls. How do I turn the plane? For instance if I am standing behind it how do I turn it completely around. I know what you are saying "Darn its going to be a long road for him." Thanks
02-03-2005 | 07:47 PM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
Quick question
This is so different than the AEROBIRD when turning. On the sim when I go left or right (on the right stick) instead of a perfect turn it rolls. How do I turn the plane? For instance if I am standing behind it how do I turn it completely around. I know what you are saying "Darn its going to be a long road for him." Thanks
Your instructor will guide you through turning. Relax. There are a few pointers that may help a little. I tell my students to call out which way they are turning. For example, if you are turning 180 to the left, I have them say "left, left, left", then it is easier to remember to correct to the right when leveling out. Tip number 2. If the airplane is coming toward you, move the right stick to the "Low" wing to straighten out. There are many websites including this one to help answer your questions. I often refer new pilots to www.masportaviator.com But for the first few flights, just let the instructor guide you. Good luck and welcome to the hobby.
This is so different than the AEROBIRD when turning. On the sim when I go left or right (on the right stick) instead of a perfect turn it rolls. How do I turn the plane? For instance if I am standing behind it how do I turn it completely around. I know what you are saying "Darn its going to be a long road for him." Thanks
Your instructor will guide you through turning. Relax. There are a few pointers that may help a little. I tell my students to call out which way they are turning. For example, if you are turning 180 to the left, I have them say "left, left, left", then it is easier to remember to correct to the right when leveling out. Tip number 2. If the airplane is coming toward you, move the right stick to the "Low" wing to straighten out. There are many websites including this one to help answer your questions. I often refer new pilots to www.masportaviator.com But for the first few flights, just let the instructor guide you. Good luck and welcome to the hobby.
02-04-2005 | 08:20 AM
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Flyer2k5-
nobody intended to scare you. Only meant to install respect for the machine and what could happen. With an instructor, there is no reason why YOU shouldn't be on the sticks as soon as he has trimmed out the plane which means as early as a minute or two into the first flight. I don't know what YOUR instructors procedures will be so I won't try to back him into a corner but DO NOT be afraid, only respectful. Your machine could destroy itself or something/someone else if not under control. That is one of the reasons ALL of us fly in open country. Learn and obey your local field rules. Your field supplies look like a good start. You will eventually want a field box to haul it all around in. Again, observe at your field and see what is available and what you like. You can work out of a cardboard box for now or your car trunk if you can back up to the pit line like I can at my field. 4 ft from trunk to pit tables, nice. Be sure you charge your glow starter.
Happy flying!
Bruce
nobody intended to scare you. Only meant to install respect for the machine and what could happen. With an instructor, there is no reason why YOU shouldn't be on the sticks as soon as he has trimmed out the plane which means as early as a minute or two into the first flight. I don't know what YOUR instructors procedures will be so I won't try to back him into a corner but DO NOT be afraid, only respectful. Your machine could destroy itself or something/someone else if not under control. That is one of the reasons ALL of us fly in open country. Learn and obey your local field rules. Your field supplies look like a good start. You will eventually want a field box to haul it all around in. Again, observe at your field and see what is available and what you like. You can work out of a cardboard box for now or your car trunk if you can back up to the pit line like I can at my field. 4 ft from trunk to pit tables, nice. Be sure you charge your glow starter.
Happy flying!
Bruce
02-04-2005 | 10:03 AM
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To answer your question ( IE "How do I turn?" )
You are now going to learn to do an Aileron Turn.
(Historical note: THIS, above anything else is what put the Wright Brothers way ahead of their competition)
First, you bank the wings with the ailerons, let's say to the right (don't worry about how much just yet).
As you know, this won't cause the plane to turn, but now (See picture) gravity wants to make the plane slide down and to the right (Arrow A)
Now, (Note: Some planes require that you continue to hold the bank with the ailerons, and some do not) while maintaining the bank, apply UP elevator.
As you know, "UP" is a relative term (In other words, UP means DOWN when you're inverted) So since your wings are banked, "UP" is in the direction of Arrow "B".
The combination of the two forces result int the plane turning in the direction of Arrow "C"
Now, as far as "How Much do you bank?" let me ask you this: How much do you turn the steering wheel of your car to make a turn? It;s impossible to say because all turns are different.
The more you bank, the more up elevator you'll need to keep the nose level. But you MUST remember two things:
1 - To tighten a turn, you must use BOTH controls! By just adding more aileron, you will only roll the plane (As you found out). Once the plane has reached a 90 degree bank, continuing to bank will make "UP" become "DOWN". So the tightest turn you can make would be to roll the plane 90 degrees, and apply full UP elevator.
2 - If you ever get in trouble - LEVEL THE WINGS before you do anything else! All too often a rookie goes for his first "Walk of Shame" because he banked too far (Semi-inverting the plane) and then panicked and pulled "UP" (See note about "UP" meaning "DOWN")
You are now going to learn to do an Aileron Turn.
(Historical note: THIS, above anything else is what put the Wright Brothers way ahead of their competition)
First, you bank the wings with the ailerons, let's say to the right (don't worry about how much just yet).
As you know, this won't cause the plane to turn, but now (See picture) gravity wants to make the plane slide down and to the right (Arrow A)
Now, (Note: Some planes require that you continue to hold the bank with the ailerons, and some do not) while maintaining the bank, apply UP elevator.
As you know, "UP" is a relative term (In other words, UP means DOWN when you're inverted) So since your wings are banked, "UP" is in the direction of Arrow "B".
The combination of the two forces result int the plane turning in the direction of Arrow "C"
Now, as far as "How Much do you bank?" let me ask you this: How much do you turn the steering wheel of your car to make a turn? It;s impossible to say because all turns are different.
The more you bank, the more up elevator you'll need to keep the nose level. But you MUST remember two things:
1 - To tighten a turn, you must use BOTH controls! By just adding more aileron, you will only roll the plane (As you found out). Once the plane has reached a 90 degree bank, continuing to bank will make "UP" become "DOWN". So the tightest turn you can make would be to roll the plane 90 degrees, and apply full UP elevator.
2 - If you ever get in trouble - LEVEL THE WINGS before you do anything else! All too often a rookie goes for his first "Walk of Shame" because he banked too far (Semi-inverting the plane) and then panicked and pulled "UP" (See note about "UP" meaning "DOWN")
02-04-2005 | 10:09 AM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
Hi!
All aeroplanes turn by a combination of giving aileron and elevator ( forget about rudder for the time being).
You bank the plane with ailerons and "turn it" with elevator.....sounds strange perhaps but elevator is the command used for turning an aeroplane!
Your AEROBIRD was /is just a toy ...and as such it is very forgiving......Welcome to the real world of R/C flight.
-Lets see now... how the hell am I to do to hover this airplane?!
Regards!
Jan K
Sweden
All aeroplanes turn by a combination of giving aileron and elevator ( forget about rudder for the time being).
You bank the plane with ailerons and "turn it" with elevator.....sounds strange perhaps but elevator is the command used for turning an aeroplane!
Your AEROBIRD was /is just a toy ...and as such it is very forgiving......Welcome to the real world of R/C flight.
-Lets see now... how the hell am I to do to hover this airplane?!
Regards!
Jan K
Sweden
02-04-2005 | 11:01 AM
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With reference to MinnFlyer's drawing and to be slightly technical. The wing generates an amount of lift ALWAYS perpendicular to the wing surface. This would be shown as arrow B. In level flight all it is doing is holding the plane up. Once you bank (roll) the plane most of the lift continues to support the plane but some of it pulls the plane in the direction of the roll (arrow C). The further you bank the plane the more supporting lift you will lose. Since you have lost a portion of the supporting lift you need to now apply a small (for shallow rolls) amount of elevator to compensate or you will get motion in the direction of arrow A. As you return to level flight you will decrease the elevator input. The amount of elevator input will depend upon a great number of things such as a/c type, wing shape/type, speed, amount of bank and others. This is one of the many things your instructor will help you with. The horizontal stab usually pushes down in flight to keep the plane in balance but that is another subject entirely. There may be some theorists out there that may argue my exactness but I am substantially correct.
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02-04-2005 | 01:20 PM
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If your instructor is like me, as long as you show up with fuel, you'll get airborne!
If your instructor is like me, as long as you show up with fuel, you'll get airborne!
Good luck.
I just got the ARF for my sons. I like the plane so far. Still have some work to do.
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02-04-2005 | 06:05 PM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
well guys the assembly went pretty well except for a screw in the horizontal tail would not fit into the nut. I went back to the hobby shop and he had a box of nuts, the one that came with it was obstructed with a piece of metal or something. Other than that it went ok. I guess the glow starter is not ready because it would not start its only been charging for 4 hours. I will try in about 5 more! I knew I kept this box for something!!!!!
02-05-2005 | 08:22 AM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
Open the throttle wide open. put a couple of drops of fuel in the carb inlet. Close the throttle and set the throttle trim to high, you should see just a small opening in the barrel. NOW flip the engine since it is primed. It should run long enough to draw fuel from the tank, if not - repeat the above. There are other ways but this is one of the easier to tell over the computer.
ANYTIME you move the propeller with the starter battery attached, be prepared for it to fire and TRY to whack a finger or worse. Control the prop in other words,
it can be a meat slicer. No fear, just respect.
Bruce[
ANYTIME you move the propeller with the starter battery attached, be prepared for it to fire and TRY to whack a finger or worse. Control the prop in other words,
it can be a meat slicer. No fear, just respect.
Bruce[
02-05-2005 | 09:53 AM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
Thanks Bruce it fired up !!! But it will not stay when I hit the throttle it stops and gas is sprinkling out the muffler!! Thanks
02-05-2005 | 10:19 AM
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Leave the starter battery on for a bit & let the engine warm up for about 20 seconds(remember everything is cold). Then ease the power up SLOWLY. This will give plug a chance to clean up(unfoul). If it won't continue the idle, then you probably aren't drawing fuel from the tank yet. Reprime and try again. If it will idle but quits when advanced slowly you may need to adjust the needle valve. Turn the the valve clockwise 1/4 turn. This will lean the engine slightly. See if this makes ANY improvement. Did you get the RTF with the Evolution engine, if not what kind is it? Getting old, memory shot. Slept since then and other excuses I can't remember either. Be very careful near moving propellers, best to adjust for now with motor not running. Have someone help hold plane if you can. When you get near the correct mixture you will be able to open the throttle quickly without it lagging much. It is a new motor, don't push it too hard yet.
Is it gas, oil or both coming from the muffler? Common for some unburned oil residue to come out.
Bruc
Is it gas, oil or both coming from the muffler? Common for some unburned oil residue to come out.
Bruc
02-05-2005 | 12:44 PM
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take out glow plug. put ignitor on plug and see if it glows. If yes, all is OK there. If not, either plug is bad (should have told you to buy spares or ignitor is weak and needs more charging. When ignitors are new they are shipped uncharged and need at least overnight charge and prefer 18 hrs. After that overnight is OK when they run down. Same is true with your radios. Hard to overcharge as long as you follow instructions that come with equipment and use supplied chargers. If you use aftermarket chargers, well - that's another story. While plug is out and with fuel line off carb crank the motor over a few times, this will get rid of any excess fuel. Reset the needle valve to where it was originally was and try again, with plug in of course. This is hard to do from so far away. I have to leave in a couple of minutes and won't be back til Monday. Good luck. Hopefully someone else can help you from here today.
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02-05-2005 | 12:51 PM
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Also if it turns on and turns off, you might be turning the prop the wrong way. Mak sure you arent.. I have made this mistake when i first tryed to start my engine. But, they are easy to keep running when everything is set
02-06-2005 | 08:00 PM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
Well fellas I went flying theses last 2 days and it has been unbelievable! My first day at the field I got to do some turns and figure eights and I even did a loop. My second day which was today I got to take off and fly on my own I even learned to do rolls. We didnt use the buddy cord today which was very neat I paid more attention and was much more cautious because I knew my trainer wasnt just a switch away, therefore I would correct my self such as pulling up when flying too low. I didnt get to land yet but I have a good trainer and a very knowledgeable group of guys at the flying field who have went out their way to make sure I have everything I need!!!! Man after seeing planes go 100+ miles per hour and tons of tricks I cant wait to learn and get into the BIG LEAGUE!!!! Thanks
02-08-2005 | 04:03 PM
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Congrats, you will love that plane. The only advice i have for you is to put some locktite on the engine mount screws and the nose landing gear. Both of these came out on my plane. If you don't have problems with it, don't bother with it.
02-09-2005 | 11:48 AM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
ORIGINAL: Flyer2k5
Thanks for the info guys! I hooked up with the prez of the club and have a date for Sunday for first lesson!! You guys got me scared. I dont want to touch the stick Sunday just want to see it fly and say ohh thats mine. LOL Take a look at these pics and see if I forgot anything at the hobby shop I have 1X fuel cap fitting, 1X Glow plug, 1X box rubberbands, 1X Glo Starter, 1X Fuel pump- Hand, 1X chix stick, 1X extra prop, 1x fuel
Thanks for all the input!!!!
Thanks for the info guys! I hooked up with the prez of the club and have a date for Sunday for first lesson!! You guys got me scared. I dont want to touch the stick Sunday just want to see it fly and say ohh thats mine. LOL Take a look at these pics and see if I forgot anything at the hobby shop I have 1X fuel cap fitting, 1X Glow plug, 1X box rubberbands, 1X Glo Starter, 1X Fuel pump- Hand, 1X chix stick, 1X extra prop, 1x fuel
Thanks for all the input!!!!
02-09-2005 | 11:57 AM
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RE: Alpha trainer .40 by Hanger 9
ORIGINAL: MinnFlyer
To answer your question ( IE "How do I turn?" )
You are now going to learn to do an Aileron Turn.
(Historical note: THIS, above anything else is what put the Wright Brothers way ahead of their competition)
First, you bank the wings with the ailerons, let's say to the right (don't worry about how much just yet).
As you know, this won't cause the plane to turn, but now (See picture) gravity wants to make the plane slide down and to the right (Arrow A)
Now, (Note: Some planes require that you continue to hold the bank with the ailerons, and some do not) while maintaining the bank, apply UP elevator.
As you know, "UP" is a relative term (In other words, UP means DOWN when you're inverted) So since your wings are banked, "UP" is in the direction of Arrow "B".
The combination of the two forces result int the plane turning in the direction of Arrow "C"
Now, as far as "How Much do you bank?" let me ask you this: How much do you turn the steering wheel of your car to make a turn? It;s impossible to say because all turns are different.
The more you bank, the more up elevator you'll need to keep the nose level. But you MUST remember two things:
1 - To tighten a turn, you must use BOTH controls! By just adding more aileron, you will only roll the plane (As you found out). Once the plane has reached a 90 degree bank, continuing to bank will make "UP" become "DOWN". So the tightest turn you can make would be to roll the plane 90 degrees, and apply full UP elevator.
2 - If you ever get in trouble - LEVEL THE WINGS before you do anything else! All too often a rookie goes for his first "Walk of Shame" because he banked too far (Semi-inverting the plane) and then panicked and pulled "UP" (See note about "UP" meaning "DOWN")
To answer your question ( IE "How do I turn?" )
You are now going to learn to do an Aileron Turn.
(Historical note: THIS, above anything else is what put the Wright Brothers way ahead of their competition)
First, you bank the wings with the ailerons, let's say to the right (don't worry about how much just yet).
As you know, this won't cause the plane to turn, but now (See picture) gravity wants to make the plane slide down and to the right (Arrow A)
Now, (Note: Some planes require that you continue to hold the bank with the ailerons, and some do not) while maintaining the bank, apply UP elevator.
As you know, "UP" is a relative term (In other words, UP means DOWN when you're inverted) So since your wings are banked, "UP" is in the direction of Arrow "B".
The combination of the two forces result int the plane turning in the direction of Arrow "C"
Now, as far as "How Much do you bank?" let me ask you this: How much do you turn the steering wheel of your car to make a turn? It;s impossible to say because all turns are different.
The more you bank, the more up elevator you'll need to keep the nose level. But you MUST remember two things:
1 - To tighten a turn, you must use BOTH controls! By just adding more aileron, you will only roll the plane (As you found out). Once the plane has reached a 90 degree bank, continuing to bank will make "UP" become "DOWN". So the tightest turn you can make would be to roll the plane 90 degrees, and apply full UP elevator.
2 - If you ever get in trouble - LEVEL THE WINGS before you do anything else! All too often a rookie goes for his first "Walk of Shame" because he banked too far (Semi-inverting the plane) and then panicked and pulled "UP" (See note about "UP" meaning "DOWN")
Happy flying!!
02-09-2005 | 12:46 PM
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Sarges-
While I am not personally a big fan of this, the following seems to work for some of the guys at my field. They "PRIME" their engines with a couple of drops of Rosinol lighter fluid. It seems to work, I don't like it because there is no oil but I guess if used sparingly it may not cause damage. Let some of the others here weigh in on this before you try this. I am not a chemist or engine expert and this is my official disclaimer on that. Rosinol may also be spelled wrong, probably is in fact.
Bruce[sm=confused.gif
While I am not personally a big fan of this, the following seems to work for some of the guys at my field. They "PRIME" their engines with a couple of drops of Rosinol lighter fluid. It seems to work, I don't like it because there is no oil but I guess if used sparingly it may not cause damage. Let some of the others here weigh in on this before you try this. I am not a chemist or engine expert and this is my official disclaimer on that. Rosinol may also be spelled wrong, probably is in fact.
Bruce[sm=confused.gif
