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Old 05-22-2005 | 01:30 PM
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when executing a turn on a standard aircraft, will I need to use rudder with the ailerons? or is it ok to just use ailerons. Should I use a Y-harness?
Please answer this quesion regarding both single and twin-engine models..
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Old 05-22-2005 | 01:42 PM
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when executing a turn on a standard aircraft, will I need to use rudder with the ailerons? or is it ok to just use ailerons. Should I use a Y-harness?
Please answer this quesion regarding both single and twin-engine models..
Thanks for any help.
Standard aircraft? Are you talking about a 4 channel R/E/A/T plane?

To turn a plane we need to bank the wings in order to redirect the lifting force in the direction of the center of the turn. This is done with the ailerons and maybe followed by the elevator.

On many planes this is done more smoothly by adding rudder to the ailerons. This is called a coordinated turn.

On some planes you can just hold that bank and the lift of the wings will take the plane around the turn. However the more standard approach is to now apply a little up elevator which will increase the angle of attack of the wings and take the plane into the turn.

This is sometimes referred to by various names, one of which is bank and yank. The rudder is not an absolutely necessary part of this process, but it does help on some planes. Depending on the plane, sometimes the rudder is actually applied opposite the aileorns to counter adverse yaw. I understand the Piper Cub calls for this, though I have never flown one personally.

If you have a computer radio you may wish to use the aileron/rudder mix to add some rudder to the ailerons automatically. This is one of the benefits of computer radios. This does not prevent you from adding more or takeing the rudder out by using the rudder stick duing the turns. On my aileron sailplanes I have between 25% and 40% rudder mixed to the aileorns. This is on a switch so I can turn off the mix if I wish.

I would not use a Y cable but perhaps someone else knows of this as being an advisable practice. I know in the days before computer radios, there was a slide tray mechanism that was used to mix rudder to ailerons.

Hope that answeres you question.
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that helps. thanks.
Old 05-22-2005 | 01:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: Phoenix19

when executing a turn on a standard aircraft, will I need to use rudder with the ailerons? or is it ok to just use ailerons.

>A lot will depend on the plane in question. In order for a Piper
>Cub to make a SMOOTH, COORDINATED turn, both ailerons
>and rudder are needed. Other planes, such as a CAP will make
>the same type of turn just fine with ailerons only, especially if
>differential is used.

Should I use a Y-harness?

>A"Y" harness is used to connect 2 servos to the same channel.
>If you are using dual aileron servos, a Y harness is needed. If
>you are only using a single servo, a Y harness is not needed.
>Again, it will depend on the model in question and how it is set
>up.

Please answer this quesion regarding both single and twin-engine models..

>It makes no difference if the plane is a single, twin or has more
>than 2 engines. It works exactly the same.


Thanks for any help.
For a more detailed answer, a specific plane (and kit manufacturer ) would be needed since various manufacturers wil make the same plane in different ways, and different planes fly differently.
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Default RE: flight dynamics. noob. help.

Usually, you would use a Y harness to connect the leads of two aileron servos together to plug into channel 1. For the aileron and rudder, two differnt servos on a normal plane. These go into two differnt ports on the receiver. Rudder work in the air is important, but basic turns on a trainer can be accomplished by just using the ailerons. You also need to learn to use the elevator to make level turns without loss of altitude. If you are still in the beginning training mode, I do not suggest the mixing of rudder and aileron. Learn how to fly the four basic controls (aileron, rudder, elevator, and throttle) using the sticks under youtr thumbs. You need to learn how to mix them manually before using the computer radio to assist.

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