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Im building my first aiplane and I got the kit. Needed to learn how to fix my crashes so the kit it was. Anyway this thing has gone together great...BUT starting on the fuse the 2 sides have a curve to them. Can someone tell me the best way to build the fuse that will take the warp out? These two items were the only thing in the kit that had a warp to them. If the fuse has a little curve to it how bad will that affect the tracking of the aircraft??
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Randy
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Randy
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Best way - Buy new wood at LHS and cut replacements. Sorry. It's either that or see if the mfg will ship replacement parts.
What kit is it?
Actually, depending on several factors the problem may be slight and correct itself as you add formers and top/bottom pieces. Easier for an experienced builder. Do you have any builders to show this to in your area?
What kit is it?
Actually, depending on several factors the problem may be slight and correct itself as you add formers and top/bottom pieces. Easier for an experienced builder. Do you have any builders to show this to in your area?
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It's the Carl Goldberg Eagle 2. None that are really close. I've got all the formers in and the top and bottom plates in and rubberbanded together but it's still got a little banana curve to it.
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See Edit above. Also Goldberg kits are built in such a manner that I'd bet that many of the smaller warps would work themselves out. How badly are they warped? Would you be able to just cut new parts? SUX I know but sometimes just easier.
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Call them 678-450-0085 and see if they will ship straight parts.
If the warp is in the front, by the time you glue on the doublers you will probably cure the warps. You might dampen the wood slightly water/ammonia and weight it down until it dries to see if it will dry straight.
If the warp is in the front, by the time you glue on the doublers you will probably cure the warps. You might dampen the wood slightly water/ammonia and weight it down until it dries to see if it will dry straight.
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It is difficult to give advice without seeing the plane. For learning to fly, considering you will probably be crashing soon, I would suggest leaving it as is. The warp you described affects the precision of maneuvers in arial acrobatics. You are a long way from that. Some warps can be gotten out, or made worse, by wetting the balsa with water and holding it straight till dry.
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rsCVN-71,
Ok, first things first, welcome to the hobby and RCU. We're always glad to see new people in here, and we hope that we can help you out. My first thoughts would be to call Goldberg. They are usually very good about supporting their customers. I can't guarantee this but I'm willing to bet that they will send you new parts to replace the warped ones. For right now I would hold up building until you talk to them. If you have other parts already attached to the warped parts make sure you tell them that when you talk to them as they may replace those too. Sometimes you can "un-warp" parts by using several various techniques, and other times you can build the parts in such a way that will counteract the warp. But without seeing the warped parts it's really hard to give any advice on what to do to take care of it. Right now I think that the manufacturer is going to be your best bet to get it straightened out.
I'm not trying to cause any problems or put anybody down, but I really don't like it when I hear people say this. IMHO it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when you go around saying "you will probably crash". If you think that way then sooner or later it's going to happen. But to think that "it's just a trainer" and it's going to crash is baloney. I've taught many students that went from totally new pilots to solo flight to learning aerobatics on their trainer to a 2nd plane and never crash their trainer. Many of those students have sold off their trainers or even handed them down to the next student that was learning, and the trainer hadn't been crashed. If you have a good instructor there is no reason to think that you're going to crash. The other thing that comes to mind is not striving to build the best that you can. To cop out and say that "it's just a trainer" so I don't need to do a good job. IMHO if you are going to build then you need to try and build the best plane that you possibly can, no matter what. Does that mean you will build it 100% perfect? Heck no, everybody has their own skill level. But there is no way at all that you will ever get any better at building if you don't strive to get to "the next level" of building. That's the only way that anybody will ever get better is by trying to build better.
From what I have seen both at my flying field and here on RCU I find that for the most part the opposite is true. Those that build their own plane are LESS likely to see their plane destroyed. Yes, less likely. With the investment of time in their plane it becomes their pride and joy and they will baby it all the time. I've seen this so many times that I can't count them anymore, pilots at the field with ARF's don't have the "attachment" to their planes and sometimes take foolish risks with their planes. And why not? If they crash they can have a new plane (ARF/RTF) back up in the air in just a couple of days. I've also noticed that when a pilot builds his first plane that plane usually winds up hanging from the ceiling someplace after it's not flying anymore. And before anybody asks, yes I still have my trainer. Almost 10 years in the hobby and somewhere around 600 flights, but I still have my trainer and it still gets flown every season.
I am sorry that I climbed up on my soapbox here, but it just drives me crazy to see a defeatist attitude being given out to new pilots. I'll get down from my soapbox now.
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Ok, first things first, welcome to the hobby and RCU. We're always glad to see new people in here, and we hope that we can help you out. My first thoughts would be to call Goldberg. They are usually very good about supporting their customers. I can't guarantee this but I'm willing to bet that they will send you new parts to replace the warped ones. For right now I would hold up building until you talk to them. If you have other parts already attached to the warped parts make sure you tell them that when you talk to them as they may replace those too. Sometimes you can "un-warp" parts by using several various techniques, and other times you can build the parts in such a way that will counteract the warp. But without seeing the warped parts it's really hard to give any advice on what to do to take care of it. Right now I think that the manufacturer is going to be your best bet to get it straightened out.
considering you will probably be crashing soon, I would suggest leaving it as is
From what I have seen both at my flying field and here on RCU I find that for the most part the opposite is true. Those that build their own plane are LESS likely to see their plane destroyed. Yes, less likely. With the investment of time in their plane it becomes their pride and joy and they will baby it all the time. I've seen this so many times that I can't count them anymore, pilots at the field with ARF's don't have the "attachment" to their planes and sometimes take foolish risks with their planes. And why not? If they crash they can have a new plane (ARF/RTF) back up in the air in just a couple of days. I've also noticed that when a pilot builds his first plane that plane usually winds up hanging from the ceiling someplace after it's not flying anymore. And before anybody asks, yes I still have my trainer. Almost 10 years in the hobby and somewhere around 600 flights, but I still have my trainer and it still gets flown every season.
I am sorry that I climbed up on my soapbox here, but it just drives me crazy to see a defeatist attitude being given out to new pilots. I'll get down from my soapbox now.
Ken
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Ken.. Thank you.. Yes I'm new to airplanes. Needed something to break up the Helis. As a field Rep. and pilot for QUICK OF JAPAN and Helicopter Hobbies(www.helicopterhobbies.com) Everything I build it True and straight. Hey it's money going up in the air.
Anyway I called CG yesterday afternoon.. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST AND LAST CARL GOLDBERG plane!! The kid on the phone told me to " Just fly with the banana curve in it. I've seen alot worse at the field. You can fix it in the air with some trim." Sorry but thats BS! [:@] I have never told someone ah just get the blades close it;ll fly. We go out of our way to make sure you're happy and the heli is set up right.
Anyway I've got a friend that's going to try and come over this weekend and help me get it straight.
Sure hope all airplane folks are'nt like this with this attitude. Beginning to think I should of just stayed with the helis.[&o] and bought an nitro truck.
Anyway I called CG yesterday afternoon.. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST AND LAST CARL GOLDBERG plane!! The kid on the phone told me to " Just fly with the banana curve in it. I've seen alot worse at the field. You can fix it in the air with some trim." Sorry but thats BS! [:@] I have never told someone ah just get the blades close it;ll fly. We go out of our way to make sure you're happy and the heli is set up right.
Anyway I've got a friend that's going to try and come over this weekend and help me get it straight.
Sure hope all airplane folks are'nt like this with this attitude. Beginning to think I should of just stayed with the helis.[&o] and bought an nitro truck.
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Ken.. Thank you.. Yes I'm new to airplanes. Needed something to break up the Helis. As a field Rep. and pilot for QUICK OF JAPAN and Helicopter Hobbies(www.helicopterhobbies.com) Everything I build it True and straight. Hey it's money going up in the air.
Anyway I called CG yesterday afternoon.. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST AND LAST CARL GOLDBERG plane!! The kid on the phone told me to " Just fly with the banana curve in it. I've seen alot worse at the field. You can fix it in the air with some trim." Sorry but thats BS! [:@]
Ken.. Thank you.. Yes I'm new to airplanes. Needed something to break up the Helis. As a field Rep. and pilot for QUICK OF JAPAN and Helicopter Hobbies(www.helicopterhobbies.com) Everything I build it True and straight. Hey it's money going up in the air.
Anyway I called CG yesterday afternoon.. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST AND LAST CARL GOLDBERG plane!! The kid on the phone told me to " Just fly with the banana curve in it. I've seen alot worse at the field. You can fix it in the air with some trim." Sorry but thats BS! [:@]
Sell crap w/o support and you lose your customers.[:'(]
I'd follow up with an email at the very least at let them know that you have posted your dis-satisfaction here on RCU. [email protected]
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I've got to agree with Bruce. This kid gave you both a wrong answer and the wrong attitude. I would call back and speak to his supervisor, and also let them know how you were treated. Goldberg is usually really good about customer support. The way you were treated is really because I've never heard anything but good about them. Call them back and see if you can get the part replace.
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You know I did some checking before buying this kit. All that I've read was good. Which is why I bought it. I guess that's what's got me so mad about this. Thought I was buying from one of the better airplane company out there but to get sevrice like this just burns me up.
Now on a positive note about them. The prints and book was perfect. For a first time builder like myself it's gone together great.
Guess I'll take the advice given above and buy some wood and cut out new pieces myself.
Now on a positive note about them. The prints and book was perfect. For a first time builder like myself it's gone together great.
Guess I'll take the advice given above and buy some wood and cut out new pieces myself.
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The much revered Goldberg name/reputation is still mentioned as if it were "Goldberg" but I think what/who we're dealing with now is Lanier. I think.
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thats a bummer rccvn,im building a great planes kit and i had a warped piece and they replaced it ,no problems,they was fantastic,i hope you get a better response,i sent them a picture of my warped piece,maybe that would help,and these guys are great on here they will help you out if you have any more troubles
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Just wanted to let you folks know that after sending the e-mail, I've still not heard anything from them. There again just a note that said hey we messed up and were sorry.
Oh well guess that was asking to much.
Oh well guess that was asking to much.


