I couldn't find such a concept in the club charter package. Has it possibly been replaced by the Intro Pilot Program (which is in the club charter package)?
The intro pilot program suggests that the intro be done with a plane that the intro pilot is familiar with, but it does not restrict it to only planes owned by the intro pilot. In fact, it specifically says what to do it the non-AMA member's plane is to be used (basically make sure it's flight worthy and fly it first to make sure it's ok).
Ain't that the truth!

Are you guys talking about the AMA's Introductory Program? If so, the following is copied directly from nationals website. The program lasts three months, not 30 days. Maybe I'm confused about what program your all talking about! Anyway:

AMA “Introductory Membership� Program

Thank you for your interest in our new Introductory Membership program!

Program Overview:
$19.95 cost for duration of program Membership valid for 3 months from date of acceptance, expires at end of 3rd full month, USA only. Fees are transferable to a full membership within the ninety day program (You must contact the AMA Membership department at 1-87-RENEWAMA (1-877-363-9262) before your trial membership expires).

Qualifications:
19 years old or greater by July 1st, 2006
First time members only, one Introductory Membership term per new customer

Program Benefits:
AMA insurance coverage, Model Aviation Magazine, Access to members only section of website, Ability to fly at thousands of AMA chartered club sites with appropriate club membership, 24/7 toll free verification – 1-800-I-Fly-AMA(435-9262) Ext 350

Nope, you're not confused, the names are CONFUSING!
They have "Introductory Membership" and "Introductory Pilot" programs. The "membership" one grants temporary membership to a person, while the "pilot" one designates specific instructors who can supervise non-members. Don't you just love the clear names they came up with? [:@]

Yes, I thought I was being explicit enough, but apparently not. PiperChuck is correct in that the plane used by the participant in the "Introductory Pilot Program" can belong to that participant. And that The "Introductory Pilot" should be familiar with the plane.

Will need to check on the "one trial flight". Maybe it did go away. That would be too bad, as that is what I use to "hook" spectators and visitors to our club.

Anyway,

Ken, AMA 19352

Found it on page 12 of the charter material.

5. Any flying at the field on a “buddy-box� permits a non-AMA member (e.g. spectator, friend) to fly on
a one time-per-person basis. NOTE: Liability insurance does not extend to the non-member for this
model flight.

Hook 'em!

Ken, AMA 19352

So, it's ok to do the one-time non-member flight, but there's no liability coverage? [X(] Without the liability coverage, they might as well take it out of the rules!

It says liability insurance doesn't extend to the non-member, so as long as you toggle the trainer switch before he plows into the windshield of the new Corvette in the parking lot then technically you were flying the plane so now the insurance is back on. What a silly rule.[sm=lol.gif]

Well . . .

Now I become one qualified to post in the AMA discusions Forum, as I will ask, "What is silly about it?"

Perhaps you wrote thqt before the explaination which appears above. Not mine, BTW.

Ken, AMA 19352

Whoops . .

I guess there is not an explaination.

Ken AMA 19352

Lol, I'm sure they have one somewhere, not to worry.

elenasgrumpy,

Earlier this evening I sent a letter off to Carl Moroney, AMA's expert on Legal Matters and Safety Code, asking him to explain why the "one time flight but no insurance for the guest" is not silly. When he answers, which is not always immediate, I will start a thread in AMA discussions about this subject.

I have been putting spectators and visitors up on buddy box for years and years, and . . well you probably get the point.

Yours

Ken, AMA 19352

I wrote letter, meant e-mail.

These forums, Beginners and AMA, just might produce something productive if those posting were as well versed in the AMA rules and such as they are in one of the Laws of the Natural Universe which is:

"Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."

So much speculation and so little research.

While on occasions I do go to the AMA Forum, I find there to be a lot of ill will to wards the organization, there. Therefore, my propensity to state my opinions keeps me from frequenting the AMA forum. This is the Beginner's Forum. I think the legitimasy of these questions are as pertinent here as anywhere else! Please post the reply from Mr. Moroney here, also!

Quoted by Mr. Cain
"These forums, Beginners and AMA, just might produce something productive if those posting were as well versed in the AMA rules and such as they are in one of the Laws of the Natural Universe which is:

"Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."

So much speculation and so little research.

_____________________________

Horrace Cain, AMA L-93, IMAA 04598, RCCA 240"

Mr. Cain, If you know something about this topic, please feel free to expound! I understand, criticism is so much fun! However, it still doesn't answer the underlying questions.

Thank you Ken, I would be interested to know the answer to that because that is the part of the rule our club president did not tell me about. I wonder if he is aware of that fact. At at any rate, please do let me know what you find out. Thanks again for the info.

Beware of call signs that are unrelated to aviation and have very low numbers. They are definitely fictitious alternate ID's from the AMA SS forum.

Back to the subject at hand. . .

Cisco, Follow up on the question from Bruce 88123. Ask them what the dues are. Usually clubs on such land pay very low rent and have low dues.

Ooops, I just re-read your post and see that you never mentioned that the amount of the dues was a concern. I am hoping that you can find a way to change your mind and join in the cameraderie of a club. Also, when i stuck my hand in the prop, it was very nice to be driven to the hospital by a fellow club member.

Ken , AMA 19352

Hey RT we have 2 fields down here I flew at a funfly at Hurdle Mills about a year and a half ago it was a blast, I hold 2 funflys at my field each year the only other event I know of is a Pattern contest,,I fly 1/2a,,do you know Deadstik Dan? He flys ..everything..May 6th is the next one if you want to come down.... .15 and under....Rog

Available in AMA Web doc. section.

AMA Doc. 911

Thanks Hoss, Mr Foamie already provided a location in post # 30, 2 days ago. The last word was Ken (Mr Foamie) sent an email to AMA asking about its usefulness compared to the Intro Pilot program and was awaiting a response.

Will look forward to seeing that reply. My small amount of money is that after Carl's big mound of circles and catacombs are waded through, his reply will simply be that the Academy cannot furnish insurance to off-the-street persons due to the fact that AMA is NOT an insurance company, simply a provider for AMA members and other documented specifics, of insurance from a legal insurance company.
The Intro-Pilot program provides for definite documentation by specially anointed persons, therefore the risk is assumed by AMA.
Both programs are both good and bad, like almost everything in life. Unfortunately they do not satisfy everyone, but then what does?
Personally I think the Intro-Pilot program is just fine, and the one-time program gives a club a chance to display the sport. After watching so many that are barely able to get up and down in one piece try to instruct, I sometimes think the one-time thing is a bit too liberal.

As a note for you newbies: When you go to a new field, find an officer, get the straight details, be a bit humble, follow the instructions and 'get 'er done'. Once you become a person that displays the interest in the club more so than yourself, doing some of the chores, and asking questions more so than smart-talking their 'silly' rules, then you may be well surprised just how fast that you will be the one having to provide answers to those questions you will be getting from those that recognize you as a person with both the knowledge and the ability to 'git-'er-done'.

I was going to offer my usual "From the Opposing Bleachers" regarding the AMA...
But seeing the Original Poster has kinda gone away after post #1, I'll skip it this time.

Look forward to rehashing the same old gripes with ya'll next time round
I'm sure it wont take long for another AMA 'bait' thread to appear

KE

Something seems missing from this post. What is PilotFighter referring to, here?

I'm a strong supporter of the AMA, have been for a long time. For $58.00 a year, I am connected with a national organization of fellow model airplane enthusiasts. There are multiple benefits from my association with this organization, the sum total of which, I feel far exceeds the cost of $58.00.

Shhhh, if too many people say such things, they'll think they can raise the annual fee!