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Well,
After my flights today I have some new insites. First of all, I have been running apfd at 120 sim speed. I cranked it back to 100% and the flight characteristics felt closer. While I'm sure 120% is better for 3d training, I think 100% is better for basic trainer pattern flying. Secondly, turns to the left still seem a LOT harder then to the right. At one point today, I had the stick fully deflected to the left and the plane was not rolling. I had to bunt the nose a bit to induce the plane to roll. Was hard to do, cause I kinda ingrained turn with up elevator. I'm still not quite sure y bunting helped gettin the plane to roll. Makes sense in a way on a instinctual level, but not quite on a mental level yet. The next thing I learn, after I got comfy enough with the tx in my hand to experiment with adding a bit of rudder in, is that rudder helps a HUGE amount on gettin a good turn out of a trainer. After I started coordinating my turns, a whole lot of tension about getting the plane to turn left vanished. Just a little rudder stick in turn actually had me applying opposite aileron to keep the plane in a stable bank. The rudder is my friend. lol. I'm gonna see if I can get someone to help me play with the ailerons to get them to have more power then they do. I reallly dislike the feeling of applying full left aileron and the plane not wanting to bank out of straight. Although a little rudder added in seems to solve the problem quite nicely. Also, it seems that after the plane has enter'd into a certain amount of bank, the ailerons gain more effectiveness in increasing the bank. It's just gettin it out of the level flight that seems tricky. I am assuming this is a effect of the dihedral built into a wing. Anyways, this is my synops of my thoughts on my first time with the tx in hand
-Joh
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Just thought of one ohter thing. Next chance I get to go up, I hope to express some wish to work the throttle stick a little more. I've grown quite accustomed to using the throttle extensivly in the sim, but I felt today like I should leave it where it was. However, when entering a steep bank, I instincts where saying increase the throttle a bit so you can ease off the elevator a bit, but my mind was saying, leave the throttle where the instructor had it. A bit throught the flight when I was bunting the nose to keep it level when in straight flight, the instructor said feel free to pull off the throttle a bit if u feel it's climbing to much, but I was a bit nervous about changing to much. My next time up I will let the instrutor know I would like to manipulate the throttle a bit more for straight and level and turns.
-John
After my flights today I have some new insites. First of all, I have been running apfd at 120 sim speed. I cranked it back to 100% and the flight characteristics felt closer. While I'm sure 120% is better for 3d training, I think 100% is better for basic trainer pattern flying. Secondly, turns to the left still seem a LOT harder then to the right. At one point today, I had the stick fully deflected to the left and the plane was not rolling. I had to bunt the nose a bit to induce the plane to roll. Was hard to do, cause I kinda ingrained turn with up elevator. I'm still not quite sure y bunting helped gettin the plane to roll. Makes sense in a way on a instinctual level, but not quite on a mental level yet. The next thing I learn, after I got comfy enough with the tx in my hand to experiment with adding a bit of rudder in, is that rudder helps a HUGE amount on gettin a good turn out of a trainer. After I started coordinating my turns, a whole lot of tension about getting the plane to turn left vanished. Just a little rudder stick in turn actually had me applying opposite aileron to keep the plane in a stable bank. The rudder is my friend. lol. I'm gonna see if I can get someone to help me play with the ailerons to get them to have more power then they do. I reallly dislike the feeling of applying full left aileron and the plane not wanting to bank out of straight. Although a little rudder added in seems to solve the problem quite nicely. Also, it seems that after the plane has enter'd into a certain amount of bank, the ailerons gain more effectiveness in increasing the bank. It's just gettin it out of the level flight that seems tricky. I am assuming this is a effect of the dihedral built into a wing. Anyways, this is my synops of my thoughts on my first time with the tx in hand

-Joh
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Just thought of one ohter thing. Next chance I get to go up, I hope to express some wish to work the throttle stick a little more. I've grown quite accustomed to using the throttle extensivly in the sim, but I felt today like I should leave it where it was. However, when entering a steep bank, I instincts where saying increase the throttle a bit so you can ease off the elevator a bit, but my mind was saying, leave the throttle where the instructor had it. A bit throught the flight when I was bunting the nose to keep it level when in straight flight, the instructor said feel free to pull off the throttle a bit if u feel it's climbing to much, but I was a bit nervous about changing to much. My next time up I will let the instrutor know I would like to manipulate the throttle a bit more for straight and level and turns.
-John
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If your radio has the capability, you can dial in some rudder with your ailerons. My Pete n' Poke turns like a piece manure with just ailerons. You need rudder to help it along. Its due to the flat bottom wing and that its a high wing to boot. I dialed in 25% rudder.
So, when I initiate a bank say to the left, I also automatically have the rudder move to the left to a certain degree (the 25%).
The plane now turns much more easily rather than just slipping in the air.
Dave...
So, when I initiate a bank say to the left, I also automatically have the rudder move to the left to a certain degree (the 25%).
The plane now turns much more easily rather than just slipping in the air.
Dave...
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Ya, I looked at the rudder mixing. I consider'd it, but honestly not long. I'm one of those ppl who likes to have as much as possible under my control. One of the reasons I drive a stick, and abhor gettin behind the wheel of a auto. I'd prefer just to work the rudder coordinations myself then have the radio do it for me.
-John
-John
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Hello; Each plane is different, each day is different. Some won't respond to the ailerons without rudder. Learn to use the rudder, it is the control that turns the plane not the aileron. I always pattern my instruction after full scale instruction. I try to teach flat turns, as though you had passengers on board that you don't want to upset. You will know you have it right when you can do figure 8's without tipping the wings at all.
After you've been doing it for awhile, it'll become automatic, you'll be compensating for side winds without thinking about it.
I like to practise by flying as close to stall as possible, without losing altitude, doing tight figure 8's without allowing the wings to tilt. You get to use all four controls.
After you've been doing it for awhile, it'll become automatic, you'll be compensating for side winds without thinking about it.
I like to practise by flying as close to stall as possible, without losing altitude, doing tight figure 8's without allowing the wings to tilt. You get to use all four controls.



