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Old 08-08-2006 | 07:05 PM
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Hello,
awhile ago i inherited a Hangar 9 Piper Cherokee 40 and built it to all its glory...(not much i see now compared to other planes) i went to fly it for the first time much too overconfident and realized i cant fly worth a crap... i know its prolly a tipical story around here and i'll prolly get flamed but thats ok.. but it comes down to i need a trainer! i really want one with ailerons so that the transition from this back to the cherokee wont be to bad but i am open to ideas on that.. I realize that it will probably be electric and thats fine but i really just need something to get me going. So if you can suggest any cheap possibly aileron equiped trainers for me it would be 100% appreciated!
Old 08-08-2006 | 07:12 PM
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Old 08-08-2006 | 07:36 PM
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yea i saw that but those are only glow powered trainers...im hoping for something cheaper which means it will have to be electric...
Old 08-08-2006 | 07:39 PM
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Go to Sig Mfg web site and have a look.
Do search on google for site. Good Luck!
Old 08-08-2006 | 09:16 PM
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What makes you think, unless you buy a toy, that electrics are cheaper?
You can get an ARF (almost ready to fly) trainer for under $100. You already have the engine and electronics in the Cherokee.
My best advice is to search out local clubs in your area and get hooked up with them. Most clubs offer free flight instruction and that is the ticket to success in this hobby.
Old 08-08-2006 | 11:08 PM
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Electrics aren't much cheaper than nitro, and you can easily spend over $150.00 for a park flyer, with no aileron control. I would follow through with Missileman's recommendation. Take the engine and electronics out of the Cherokee and put those in an ARF trainer. A Tower Trainer can be purchased for $70.00, and I'm sure you have the supplies to assemble it. You'll not only build confidence, you'll save a considerable amount of money too.

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Old 08-09-2006 | 12:41 PM
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I'm sure you have heard this, but just in case not, I would not use the AFS. I have never used it with mine and I really think this can cause you to crash more than helping.
Old 08-09-2006 | 01:32 PM
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Big electrics cost big $$$ in battery packs and electronics to control them. Typical electric powered planes are small and most are under powered. This means that they should only be flown in calm or near calm conditions. A standard 40 size trainer will be able to handle breezes and moderate winds if they should come up and this set up doesn't have to be expensive. Also have you considered that after a standard 10 minute flight with a glow powered plane, you lnad, refuel and take off again. After the batterys have died in an electric powered plane which will likely only give you 8 minutes or less fllying time you have to land. Then to fly again you either have to plug in a "fast" charger and wait about an hour for the batterys to recharge, or pull out the pack in the plane and plug in a spare fully charged pack. A normal days training will consist of 6 flights. With electric power, you will need 6 battery to swap in and out. OR a few packs and a good fast charge and a way to keep track of whats charging and which pack is waiting to be charged. Thats if you have a power source for the charger at the field! Price out spare packs and a good charger and see if you still think that e power is cheaper!! It certainly doesn't seem more convenient, to me any way.
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Check with clubs and shops in you area.. There are always people looking to get rid of trainers in all states of flight readiness.. All you need is the airframe.. If you lived anywhere close to me I've got a PT-40 that you could drop your engine and electonics in that I would let go for $25 and I know of 3 more just like it for like price hanging from the ceiling at the LHS.
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I gotta echo what Missileman & the others are telling you. Get an ARF Trainer, they don't cost much & you can use the engine & radio out of the Cherokee. You can allways replace it later. Or buy new stuff for it when you have more money. Then get in touch with a club & get an Instructor. Join the AMA, you can start for as little as $19.99, that will allow you to join the local club. A club will get you trained & soloed as well as giving you a safe place to fly & lots of new friends to fly with. Besides getting boring fast, flying by yourself is dangerous. If I catch a prop strike to an artery, I want one of my friends there to get me some help before I bleed out![X(]

Small cheap electrics I believe will leave you wanting & wishing you had the money you wasted on it back to buy a real plane with. They are poor flyers & grossly underpowered. Electrics don't fly well until you shell out the money for a good brushless set-up. That means the proper brushless motor & ESC, lipo batteries & a good charger capable of charging lipos. This equals money as none of these components come cheaply. Glow power is clearly easier to deal with for a beginner. There is a lot to learn about electrics. It is very easy to waste a lot of money buying the wrong stuff when first starting out with them. Don't ask how I know this.[:@] Just save yourself a lot of time, headache, & money for now & go with a glow powered Trainer & an Instructor. You'll be up & flying in no time if you choose this route. IMO

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