Go Back  RCU Forums > RC Airplanes > Beginners
Down Wind Turn >

Down Wind Turn

Community
Search
Notices
Beginners Beginners in RC start here for help.

Down Wind Turn

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-03-2003 | 12:01 AM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Dallas, TX
Default Down Wind Turn

After Flying my Zagi for about a month, I have been running into problems while making down-wind turns. About half way through, the aircraft stalls and falls out of the sky... Help?
Old 03-03-2003 | 01:36 AM
  #2  
My Feedback: (41)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,753
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Shuswap, BC,
Default Down Wind Turn

You are forgetting that the actual airspeed of the model is slower than it appears. Relative to you on the ground it is really moving, but that is because it has a tail wind and it's actual airspeed (speed through the air) is lower. If you put it in a steep bank the stall speed goes up and you stall, if you started the turn at near stall speed. I believe you'll have to keep more "airspeed" on it.

My .02.
Old 03-03-2003 | 01:51 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Terrell, TX
Default Down Wind Turn

agree,speed up.
Old 03-03-2003 | 03:24 PM
  #4  
MinnFlyer's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 28,519
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
From: Willmar, MN
Default Down Wind Turn

Yup
Old 03-03-2003 | 05:20 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Commerce Twp, MI
Default Down Wind Turn

I try to avoid making slow turns downwind.
I go into the turn hard and get it around fast.

It looks like it's going fast enough but it's not...stall.

I ofter loop instead of turning, it gets me going in the other direction faster.

Bill
Old 03-03-2003 | 09:05 PM
  #6  
FLYBOY's Avatar
My Feedback: (11)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 9,076
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
From: Missoula, MT
Default Down Wind Turn

Keep the power up till on final if you have to. If you get slow and add a bunch of power turning base or final, you will find out what a low level spin is.
Old 03-03-2003 | 09:28 PM
  #7  
My Feedback: (8)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,359
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Colorado Springs, CO
Default Down Wind Turn

Sounds like you learned about relative airspeed and its importance to maintaining flight. A fast tailwind will increase your groundspeed which causes many new pilots to reduce power and airspeed to maintain within their "comfort level" which unfortunately reduces the relative airspeed to below that of the aircraft's stall speed.
Several of my 1/2 a airpanes would stall at full throttle when flying downwind in winds exceeding 15 mph. Instead of packing it up, I'd compensate by ensuring I have plenty of altitude to use to "dive" the aircraft to maintain relative airspeed only to turn on final and land with little (sometimes fly backward) groundspeed. It can be fun!
Old 03-04-2003 | 08:22 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 822
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: BrisbaneQLD, AUSTRALIA
Default Down Wind Turn

Originally posted by RedWing
I

I ofter loop instead of turning, it gets me going in the other direction faster.

Bill
????? how does that work??? A loop starts and finishes in the same direction !
Old 03-04-2003 | 04:28 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Commerce Twp, MI
Default Down Wind Turn

Well, you know this, I guess I did'nt explain it enough.

Immelmann
Start wings level as if executing a full loop and when you reach the top, immediately half-roll to the left or right, opening the throttle to regain speed.

The Reversal
The Reversal is another method of reversing your direction but recovering at the same altitude as the start of the manoeuvre (unlike the Immelmann and Split 'S').

Turns down wind in a strong wind with a stock zagi are hard. You loose a lot of air speed.

Bill
Old 03-04-2003 | 04:34 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,176
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: St Louis, MO
Default Here is a thought experiment.

Imagine you were standing on the deck of an aircraft carrier (sounds like fun already). The ship is steaming North at 30mph. A steady 30mph wind blows from the South. It would be absolutely calm standing on the deck. What would happen if you flew a park flyer? Would the plane have any trouble flying? Would it stall when it turns downwind?

Your friend is standing on a Southbound ship traveling at 30mph. He feels a wind of 60mph blowing in his face. As he passes, you toss the transmitter to him. Would he have any trouble flying the plane? What if he wanted to land on the aircraft carrier. Would it matter which direction he landed? Assume he has binoculars and can see perfectly at great distance.

Tom
Old 03-04-2003 | 07:56 PM
  #11  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Dallas, TX
Default Down Wind Turn

Greenboot-good experiment-Unfortunatly, remember that the plane is not attatched to the carrier. The longer its in the air, the slower it will go. Therefor it would be swept away in 30 mph winds. (try a bigger plane )
Old 03-04-2003 | 09:57 PM
  #12  
MinnFlyer's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 28,519
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
From: Willmar, MN
Default Down Wind Turn

Greenboot is correct. In case #1, the boat, air mass, and pilot are all moving at the same speed. So to the pilot, there would be no difference which way he flies (into or out of the wind). However to someone on a rock that the ship is passing, the plane is going VERY fast down wind while barely moving upwind.

Another way to think of it is to imagine flying circles at 20 MPH in a block of still air. From the ground, the plane is flying circles. Now move that block of air at 10 MPH. If the plane stays in that same block of air, it is still flying circles, but the circles don't look round from the ground.
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	60337_7722.jpg
Views:	22
Size:	21.9 KB
ID:	37138  
Old 03-05-2003 | 07:23 PM
  #13  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Dallas, TX
Default Down Wind Turn

Again, you are right. However with REAL LIFE you cant wrestle a park flyer in 30 mph winds. No matter WHERE the ground is

soooooo- HA HA (just kiddding)
Old 03-05-2003 | 09:14 PM
  #14  
MinnFlyer's Avatar
Senior Member
My Feedback: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 28,519
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
From: Willmar, MN
Default Down Wind Turn

Like Uncle Albert said...

"It's all relative."

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.