Looing to buy my 2nd plane, Here is a lil about what experiance I have had.

I have had my Skyfly for about a year and have flown it about 50 times and still use the original wing and tail surfaces, I have had a few minor mishaps but nothing to ever damage the plane.

now my skyfly radio has gone to the dogs so the plane is pretty much dead.

SO my question is should I just get a skyfly 2 and keep learning (I did have alot of fun with my original skyfly) or should I go a lil deeper into the hobby and get an Electrifly rtf?

The Electrifly looks to be a great deal for a 60+" wingspan and brushless my only concern is Aleirons (sp?) as I have never flown a plane with them, Can I fly it like the skyfly and not use them (or slowly start to use them as I learn) or is the use of alierons on this plane 100% manditory as in you cant turn without them. I also think the Electrifly will provide me with more flying time as I am sure it can handle some wind better then the Skyfly thus alowing me to get out flying in less then ideal conditions that limited my use of the slyfly.

I am not limiting myself to these choices alone so if you have other reqomendations for a great 2nd plane I will look into them I would like to keep the price down to 300 CDN ish (Including plane and batts and charger)

Is there a good park flyer out there that is a medium speed, has alierons and can do nice loops?

I just bought a Parkzone T-28 Trojan as a second plane while my Sig 4* is still getting built. Look into this for an aileron trainer. It is really docile because the wings have some good dihedral in them. But it can also do some pretty good aerobatics. I have never flown inverted before and it came pretty easily with this plane. Rolls and loops are easy and Immelmans and Split S's as well. My first plane was a glow 60 size trainer and I bought the T-28 plane as an after work park flyer.

If you do get the T-28, right when you get it, pop the main wheel gear holders off and epoxy them onto the wings. The glue they come with is not very strong and they will pop off on a less than perfect landing.

Mammoth,
I respect your desire to stay within 300CD (Which is what 1000US now? JK). I also respect your desire to go with a Park flyer. If you like flying and really think this hobby is for you, I would recommend getting a true trainer like the tower hobbies trainer RTF. The costs of the plane and equipment will most likely come in around 300, and it is gas, but the operating costs for something this large may be less with glow, rather than electric (size of motors and batteries adds up fast). Also, the comparison to an aileraon plane and the skyfly are night and day. Even a trainer, with it's limited aerobatic capabilities will blow you away with enjoyment. If you need to strictly stick to electric, I would recommend an electristar. The size is the main difference with these planes. They handle wind very well compared to what you are used to, and the use of ailerons is not that difficult to get the hang of, but it will pay off dividends when you want to do tricks. You may have to pay a little more on the front end, but the end result will be worth the cost.
Good luck and have fun,
Curtis

Don't be afraid of ailerons, in my opinion flying with ailerons is easier than with rudder alone.

I would love to go glo powerd but my flying area really dosnt permit it as I have a 1500X2500' feild about 300' from my door but there are houses all around and I am sure a glo powerd plane will attract the wrong kind of attention so for this reason I want to stick with EP as I dont drive and that alone will cut my flight outting by about 65% ( belive me I have all the equipment for a glo powerd including flight box with bat and starter) so the electristar seems a pretty viable option. I did look over the T-28 but it has 2 strikes against it, Local availability of the plane and the parts aswell as it seems a lil light for wind. Electristar is 189.99 with 2 3200mah batts and a dual peak charger (I am in really tight with my LHS) but another option has surfaced and that is the aerobird swift I only look @ that as it is an alieron trainer and if I smash it to bits foam is easy and cheap to replace. and after I get used to it then I will look @ a 40 sized trainer (but this is more then likely a bad choice and may just delay my learning curve)

So just one question...can I fly an electristar on the tail surface alone and slowly work some alieron control in there?

If I had your requirements I would personaly get a pulse 40 and run it with A123 batteries. Although that does look like a good deal on the electristar.

As others have said, flying with ailerons is not difficult. I flew a Super Cub for a while and got ver confdent with it. I then spent countless hours on a sim to get the feel of ailerons before moving up to a P-51 PTS. I soloed it my first flight. BUT I DO NOT recommend this!! Get a trainer. I would have, but due to the extreme disfunctionality of the clubs around me, that became impossible....Anyways, don't worry about moving up to a bigger plane you'll catch on quick!

E-Flight Apprentice 15e RTF for the win:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=EFL2725

That looks like a really nice flying plane I will look into it and check for local availability...I cant believe how quick it takes off.

It's a brand new product that is just now supposed to start shipping. You might want to ask about "pre-ordering" from your local Horizon Hobby dealer.

on an impulse buy on my way home from work I got the sky fly 2..........and I am glad I did because the first flight was an EPIC fail! I put the control horn to the closest hole to the surface and it turns out that it gives it WAY too much movement and I ended up doing a wonderful wingover nosefirst into the ground. It is fixable with a new wing and servo mount but had that happen to the electristar I would be still picking up splinters and cursing myself. oh well I guess more practice it is with the new skyfly...and for the record the sky fly 2 is a much much better plane then the original out of the box 1 more cell and a diffrent prop plus the diffrent wing makes it fly much faster and the control is way snapier then the orig skyfly....it uses real 3 wire servos and not just a circut board with fixed hardware all on it...so now I will fly with the horns on the outter most holes and report back. I am a lil embarased to say the least but oh well I learnt.

Please start a new thread titled "advice on a 3rd plane."