The New Guy!
12-22-2009 | 02:45 AM
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Hey all,
I was literally yesterday given my first RC airplane ever. I am a current student at Michigan Institute of Aviation and Technology and love aircraft. My Dad bought me a Hangar 9 Alpha 40 trainer plane.
I have about 9 years experience with driving RC cars, and about 4 years building them. I understand there is pretty much no similarities in RC cars and planes.
I am here posting to basically ask if there is any kind of broad tips anyone can give to a completely new pilot that only has maybe 30-45 minutes flying time on a real simulator at the Hobby shop, and about an hour or two on the RC air sim game ont he xbox 360.
I guess one of my main questions is how can I prepare for that first flight, or to even feel comfortable to take my plane on that first flight. I do have some time to get a hang of things as it's pretty much winter now here in michigan (in relationship to the snow we now got ).
The guy at the hobby shop gave me the location of a local rc airfield and said he knows there are a few guys there that would be more than happy to help out in flying the plane. Is it true there is a beginner switch on the controller that my plane came with, that would give someone control if anything were to happen in the air?
I feel like this post is pretty large, and for that I apologise, but I do have a couple more questions that if you know the answer to or have an opinion I'd greatly appreciate a response:
Is the XBOX live RC air sim "game" any good as far as helping with just the orientation aspect of flying? It seems like the other rc simulators, but obviously on a much more BASIC level as far as plane selection, and you cant input any weather etc.
Next question would be what is the best software to look for if I were to pick up a more realistic RC air simulator? Are there only a select few that would have the Alpha 40 trainer in them (i think hangar 9 has a program??) or do most programs have the option of selecting most models?
Last question: Are there any things to look out for with the Alpha 40 trainer?? Is this a pretty good starting plane? Go ahead and leave any feedback or personal experiences with the plane if you have any.
Thanks again guys.
Brad
I was literally yesterday given my first RC airplane ever. I am a current student at Michigan Institute of Aviation and Technology and love aircraft. My Dad bought me a Hangar 9 Alpha 40 trainer plane.
I have about 9 years experience with driving RC cars, and about 4 years building them. I understand there is pretty much no similarities in RC cars and planes.
I am here posting to basically ask if there is any kind of broad tips anyone can give to a completely new pilot that only has maybe 30-45 minutes flying time on a real simulator at the Hobby shop, and about an hour or two on the RC air sim game ont he xbox 360.
I guess one of my main questions is how can I prepare for that first flight, or to even feel comfortable to take my plane on that first flight. I do have some time to get a hang of things as it's pretty much winter now here in michigan (in relationship to the snow we now got ).
The guy at the hobby shop gave me the location of a local rc airfield and said he knows there are a few guys there that would be more than happy to help out in flying the plane. Is it true there is a beginner switch on the controller that my plane came with, that would give someone control if anything were to happen in the air?
I feel like this post is pretty large, and for that I apologise, but I do have a couple more questions that if you know the answer to or have an opinion I'd greatly appreciate a response:
Is the XBOX live RC air sim "game" any good as far as helping with just the orientation aspect of flying? It seems like the other rc simulators, but obviously on a much more BASIC level as far as plane selection, and you cant input any weather etc.
Next question would be what is the best software to look for if I were to pick up a more realistic RC air simulator? Are there only a select few that would have the Alpha 40 trainer in them (i think hangar 9 has a program??) or do most programs have the option of selecting most models?
Last question: Are there any things to look out for with the Alpha 40 trainer?? Is this a pretty good starting plane? Go ahead and leave any feedback or personal experiences with the plane if you have any.
Thanks again guys.
Brad
12-22-2009 | 03:07 AM
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what radio are you going to use? as for simulators... Realflight or Phoenix... spend enough time on there until you can do proper landings on the landing strip... you have to be able to get the plane lined up for the runway and land it there... as this is the hardest part for beginners... not the flying but landing...
12-22-2009 | 03:13 AM
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what radio are you going to use? as for simulators... Realflight or Phoenix... spend enough time on there until you can do proper landings on the landing strip... you have to be able to get the plane lined up for the runway and land it there... as this is the hardest part for beginners... not the flying but landing...
what radio are you going to use? as for simulators... Realflight or Phoenix... spend enough time on there until you can do proper landings on the landing strip... you have to be able to get the plane lined up for the runway and land it there... as this is the hardest part for beginners... not the flying but landing...
The radio that I will be flying with (eventually) is the Spektrum DX5e . This is the radio that came with the Alpha 40 trainer plane.
Brad
12-22-2009 | 03:27 AM
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Hey all,
I was literally yesterday given my first RC airplane ever. I am a current student at Michigan Institute of Aviation and Technology and love aircraft. My Dad bought me a Hangar 9 Alpha 40 trainer plane.
I have about 9 years experience with driving RC cars, and about 4 years building them. I understand there is pretty much no similarities in RC cars and planes.
I am here posting to basically ask if there is any kind of broad tips anyone can give to a completely new pilot that only has maybe 30-45 minutes flying time on a real simulator at the Hobby shop, and about an hour or two on the RC air sim game ont he xbox 360.
I guess one of my main questions is how can I prepare for that first flight, or to even feel comfortable to take my plane on that first flight. I do have some time to get a hang of things as it's pretty much winter now here in michigan (in relationship to the snow we now got ).
The guy at the hobby shop gave me the location of a local rc airfield and said he knows there are a few guys there that would be more than happy to help out in flying the plane. Is it true there is a beginner switch on the controller that my plane came with, that would give someone control if anything were to happen in the air?
I feel like this post is pretty large, and for that I apologise, but I do have a couple more questions that if you know the answer to or have an opinion I'd greatly appreciate a response:
Is the XBOX live RC air sim "game" any good as far as helping with just the orientation aspect of flying? It seems like the other rc simulators, but obviously on a much more BASIC level as far as plane selection, and you cant input any weather etc.
Next question would be what is the best software to look for if I were to pick up a more realistic RC air simulator? Are there only a select few that would have the Alpha 40 trainer in them (i think hangar 9 has a program??) or do most programs have the option of selecting most models?
Last question: Are there any things to look out for with the Alpha 40 trainer?? Is this a pretty good starting plane? Go ahead and leave any feedback or personal experiences with the plane if you have any.
Thanks again guys.
Brad
Hey all,
I was literally yesterday given my first RC airplane ever. I am a current student at Michigan Institute of Aviation and Technology and love aircraft. My Dad bought me a Hangar 9 Alpha 40 trainer plane.
I have about 9 years experience with driving RC cars, and about 4 years building them. I understand there is pretty much no similarities in RC cars and planes.
I am here posting to basically ask if there is any kind of broad tips anyone can give to a completely new pilot that only has maybe 30-45 minutes flying time on a real simulator at the Hobby shop, and about an hour or two on the RC air sim game ont he xbox 360.
I guess one of my main questions is how can I prepare for that first flight, or to even feel comfortable to take my plane on that first flight. I do have some time to get a hang of things as it's pretty much winter now here in michigan (in relationship to the snow we now got ).
The guy at the hobby shop gave me the location of a local rc airfield and said he knows there are a few guys there that would be more than happy to help out in flying the plane. Is it true there is a beginner switch on the controller that my plane came with, that would give someone control if anything were to happen in the air?
I feel like this post is pretty large, and for that I apologise, but I do have a couple more questions that if you know the answer to or have an opinion I'd greatly appreciate a response:
Is the XBOX live RC air sim "game" any good as far as helping with just the orientation aspect of flying? It seems like the other rc simulators, but obviously on a much more BASIC level as far as plane selection, and you cant input any weather etc.
Next question would be what is the best software to look for if I were to pick up a more realistic RC air simulator? Are there only a select few that would have the Alpha 40 trainer in them (i think hangar 9 has a program??) or do most programs have the option of selecting most models?
Last question: Are there any things to look out for with the Alpha 40 trainer?? Is this a pretty good starting plane? Go ahead and leave any feedback or personal experiences with the plane if you have any.
Thanks again guys.
Brad
Your Dad gave you a very good starter RC plane.
There are similarities between RC Cars and planes. That is, when the car/plane is coming at you vs. when it''s heading away from you, one reacts differently. This will take a little time to get used to with a plane vs. car but should be a benefit for you.
Xbox and other games will help but will not prepare you adequately for an actual flight. Probably the best flight Sim out there is Realflight, and even this will not get you totally prep'd for the first time out, though it will be helpful. There's no red button to put a new plane on the runway for you in real life, as you know, and this is the thing that causes most students to react differently in a real life situation. Fear of losing the plane causes over-reactions in controls that actually lead to crashes. Most of the differences in flying flying outside of a Sim environment vs. real life are mental, which again is probably pretty obvious.
A local RC field and an Instructor is a great way to go. This will save you at least one plane and a lot of aggravation. That said, as an instructor, lessons are difficult to come by sometimes. Persistence is key as is patience prior to soloing.
I have the DSM2 version of the Alpha and all I can say is that it does not fly like the RealFlight version of the same plane. It's heavier in the nose than the RF version while being well balanced and trimmed. The RF version will allow you to screw up too much and still show a good landing, IMO. The landing is smooth once you get the hang of flaring, probably the most difficult and counter-intuitive of things to teach a new flyer. A little power while landing works wonders with mine.
Good luck with this new venture. Keep at it and you should learn to love it.
12-22-2009 | 04:26 AM
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I think Timcat pretty much covered it. One thing I would do is practice ground handling as well. If you have someplace where you can just fire the bird up and play with it on the ground to get used to the left hand rudder and throttle, it can help you out as well. I know many pilots never learn to use the rudder unless they fly aerobatics and just point the plane down the runway to take off. Being able to control a plane on the ground can be as important as learning how to land when the unexpected happens
12-22-2009 | 07:06 AM
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Is it true there is a beginner switch on the controller that my plane came with, that would give someone control if anything were to happen in the air?
Is it true there is a beginner switch on the controller that my plane came with, that would give someone control if anything were to happen in the air?
This is a wonderful means of learning and it's one of the biggest advantages to having an instructor!
Simulators are the next best tool. There are some excellent ones in the $100 - $200 price range, but there are also some in the $20 - $30 price range that will work every bit as well for teaching the basics, they just don't have the high-end graphics and physics. But for starting out, the main thing you need to learn is just "How to make a proper turn", so high end graphics are not a neccessity.
And while simulators are a great tool, they are only supplimentary to having an instructor, not a substitute. The best way to learn is to have your lesson with your instructor, and then go home and practice what you learned on your simulator.
12-22-2009 | 09:08 AM
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The best advice you can get is to go out and purchase for yourself for $39 a buddy box that will work with your transmitter - this [link=http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JSP98140]one[/link].
Join the local club and have some experienced trainers trim out your Alpha (it should be very close but be careful that the tail section bolts are tight and there isn't any wiggle) and take you up with your own plane on the buddy box.
The club will most likely have their own buddy boxes but having your own will always be more convenient, plus whenever you get a new plane you'll be able to have someone you trust take it up with you the first time.
If you can afford it, purchase Real Flight simulator and practice often. If you can't afford the new software, you might be able to find a used version cheap on ebay as there is a new version out recently.
For equipment you'll need or want at the field, I made up a [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=7692929]list [/link]when I started you can take a look at which might be helpful. You won't need alot of the things on the list and some are for futaba equipment and you'll need JR stuff but it's a good list to refer to if you get into the hobby. At the very least you'll need a glo ignitor with a battery, balanced voltmeter, chicken stick, glo fuel, and pump to get the fuel into your plane. You already have a great radio and plane. You'll probably end up wanting to upgrade your radio but you have a great starter radio - you can get some money back towards a better one later if you end up liking the sport. The important thing is it's 2.4GHz which means you don't have to worry about anyone interfering with your frequency.
Good luck and welcome to the hobby.
Join the local club and have some experienced trainers trim out your Alpha (it should be very close but be careful that the tail section bolts are tight and there isn't any wiggle) and take you up with your own plane on the buddy box.
The club will most likely have their own buddy boxes but having your own will always be more convenient, plus whenever you get a new plane you'll be able to have someone you trust take it up with you the first time.
If you can afford it, purchase Real Flight simulator and practice often. If you can't afford the new software, you might be able to find a used version cheap on ebay as there is a new version out recently.
For equipment you'll need or want at the field, I made up a [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=7692929]list [/link]when I started you can take a look at which might be helpful. You won't need alot of the things on the list and some are for futaba equipment and you'll need JR stuff but it's a good list to refer to if you get into the hobby. At the very least you'll need a glo ignitor with a battery, balanced voltmeter, chicken stick, glo fuel, and pump to get the fuel into your plane. You already have a great radio and plane. You'll probably end up wanting to upgrade your radio but you have a great starter radio - you can get some money back towards a better one later if you end up liking the sport. The important thing is it's 2.4GHz which means you don't have to worry about anyone interfering with your frequency.
Good luck and welcome to the hobby.
12-22-2009 | 09:18 AM
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If you can afford it, purchase Real Flight simulator and practice often.
If you can afford it, purchase Real Flight simulator and practice often.
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12-22-2009 | 10:38 AM
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I thank everyone who has replied so far, your knowledge is truly appreciated.
@ cappaj1 - I forgot to include that I was also bought my first bottle of fuel and the fuel pump
. I appreciate the list that you included though, thank you very much.
Thanks again to everyone. I'm going to continue to do my research and hopefully come spring I will have been in contact with a local club.
Feel free to leave any more feedback you feel is necessary.
Brad
@ cappaj1 - I forgot to include that I was also bought my first bottle of fuel and the fuel pump
. I appreciate the list that you included though, thank you very much.Thanks again to everyone. I'm going to continue to do my research and hopefully come spring I will have been in contact with a local club.
Feel free to leave any more feedback you feel is necessary.
Brad
12-22-2009 | 10:46 AM
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I just did a review of a new version of RealFlight called, "RealFlight Basic". It's a lot of bang for the buck. ($99)
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...XXSG5&P=ML
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If you can afford it, purchase Real Flight simulator and practice often.
If you can afford it, purchase Real Flight simulator and practice often.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...XXSG5&P=ML
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12-22-2009 | 11:05 AM
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It's got the Hobbico Nexstar which is close enough. It's a high wing trainer and should have plenty of similar characteristics. Also when I was learning I decided I needed to utilize all forms of training. Read as much as you can and also there are some good videos out there that I think could help.
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I wouldn't worry that the Alpha 2 is not listed. One point I've found is that the NexStar "floats" much more than the Alpha. My biggest problem while flying a NexStar is keeping it from climbing into the sky. The Alpha will come down more easily for you.
As noted, the specific model is not as important as getting used to the controls and the hand/eye coordination associated with flying any trainer.
As noted, the specific model is not as important as getting used to the controls and the hand/eye coordination associated with flying any trainer.
12-22-2009 | 12:22 PM
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It's got the Hobbico Nexstar which is close enough. It's a high wing trainer and should have plenty of similar characteristics. Also when I was learning I decided I needed to utilize all forms of training. Read as much as you can and also there are some good videos out there that I think could help.
It's got the Hobbico Nexstar which is close enough. It's a high wing trainer and should have plenty of similar characteristics. Also when I was learning I decided I needed to utilize all forms of training. Read as much as you can and also there are some good videos out there that I think could help.
I have done some reading on the website stickied to the top of the Beginners section. www.gettingairborne.com is a tremendous website and I'd like to thank RCKenand MinnFlyer for making that available.Definitely going to make good use of that gem.I'd, again, like to thank everyone for the input, it helps a tremendous amount and I look forward to chatting with you all again.
Brad
12-22-2009 | 01:15 PM
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Welcome Bradley, You do know your Dad has started you off ona path of addiction comparable to haroin? A lot of us have more planes than we can reasonably fly there is this enzyme in our brains that triggers a reaction when we see a plane we don't have that forces us to pull that little plastic card out of our wallets.
All of the advice you have recieved is good. Especially the "get with an instructor at the local club" advice. A lot of people get a plane and try to fly it themselves the first time and watch $400 burn in in less than 15 seconds. Then they quit and never really learn to fly. The instructor will save your plane from certain doom no less than 20 times while you are learning. Replacing an airframe, assuming all the equipment and servos survive the crash, will cost about $100. So an instructor will save you at least $2000.
All of the advice you have recieved is good. Especially the "get with an instructor at the local club" advice. A lot of people get a plane and try to fly it themselves the first time and watch $400 burn in in less than 15 seconds. Then they quit and never really learn to fly. The instructor will save your plane from certain doom no less than 20 times while you are learning. Replacing an airframe, assuming all the equipment and servos survive the crash, will cost about $100. So an instructor will save you at least $2000.
12-22-2009 | 01:15 PM
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Learn throttle control. This will cure the "climbing into the sky" tendency. Take off at full then back off to a little over half then trim it out for straight and level flight.
Every time you change throttle settings on a straight line, you will have to trim out the aircraft.
Learn to do this, (yeah, and everything else..
) on the sim, but it is very important that you work with an instructor with a buddy box when you get into learning in the real world.
Mike.. where is that review? Is it on RCU yet?
CGr.
Every time you change throttle settings on a straight line, you will have to trim out the aircraft.
Learn to do this, (yeah, and everything else..
) on the sim, but it is very important that you work with an instructor with a buddy box when you get into learning in the real world.Mike.. where is that review? Is it on RCU yet?
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12-22-2009 | 09:23 PM
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What everybody has stated is pretty true. I was in the same boat, Im a mechanical engineering student at Rochester Institute of technology. Ive always been obsessed with flight and planes. I thought i could just jump right in, as id had years of experience on flight sims and understood flight mechanics and fundamentals.
I was invited by an RCU member to come to his house where he had a field and he instructed me. He had me soloed on a Alpha 40 in 3 days of flying. Just being on the buddy box gives you the confidence to put the fear of crashing to the back of your mind and really focus on what your doing. Getting instruction is invalueble. I probably could have done it alone, but it would have cost me time in repairs and taken much longer to get to the level of pilot i am today (not saying im an expert by any chance, but i moved on to my 2nd plane after 2 months of flying, an GP escapade, and i can really put that thing thorugh its paces.) It will still be some time before im flying 3d or scale or whatever i decide i wanna focus on. But with the instruction i was given Ive got a solid step into my RC career. Also if you can find an instructor like the one I found, you'll make a real good friend.
Good luck with your Alpha, I love that bird. I usualy fly it more on a flying day than my escapade, just cause i still love flying that bird.
PS. Check out if your school has a club, RIT has a Aero Design team that i joined. Great times, we go fly together (well those of us that fly) some of the members just like the design portion. and then every year we design a plane for either the SAE or AIAA competition. Real cool stuff.
I was invited by an RCU member to come to his house where he had a field and he instructed me. He had me soloed on a Alpha 40 in 3 days of flying. Just being on the buddy box gives you the confidence to put the fear of crashing to the back of your mind and really focus on what your doing. Getting instruction is invalueble. I probably could have done it alone, but it would have cost me time in repairs and taken much longer to get to the level of pilot i am today (not saying im an expert by any chance, but i moved on to my 2nd plane after 2 months of flying, an GP escapade, and i can really put that thing thorugh its paces.) It will still be some time before im flying 3d or scale or whatever i decide i wanna focus on. But with the instruction i was given Ive got a solid step into my RC career. Also if you can find an instructor like the one I found, you'll make a real good friend.
Good luck with your Alpha, I love that bird. I usualy fly it more on a flying day than my escapade, just cause i still love flying that bird.
PS. Check out if your school has a club, RIT has a Aero Design team that i joined. Great times, we go fly together (well those of us that fly) some of the members just like the design portion. and then every year we design a plane for either the SAE or AIAA competition. Real cool stuff.
12-23-2009 | 12:35 AM
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Hey Brad
You've asked all the right questions and received great answers.
Good luck and enjoy this hobby.
You will have some frustrating days, and a few really rewarding ones. Eventually you will have more great days and the hobby becomes unlimited! [8D]
You've asked all the right questions and received great answers.
Good luck and enjoy this hobby.
You will have some frustrating days, and a few really rewarding ones. Eventually you will have more great days and the hobby becomes unlimited! [8D]
12-23-2009 | 02:23 AM
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@ orangehat44 - Yea I will definitely have to ask if there is an official club of MIAT. Some of the guys in my class have them, but from what they have told me they are kinda in need of lessons also ( as far as fying the RC planes).
@ nitro thanks, bud. appreciate the encouragement, and the honesty !
Thanks to everyone who has given me feedback.
I'm currently in the process of studying for tommorows test but after that I think my next step is to get a flight simulator. Since I don't see myself flying anytime too soon since everything's covered in snow (and I could not be angrier!)
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12-23-2009 | 07:31 AM
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I live close to you and fly at the Flying Pilgrims field. http://www.flyingpilgrims.com/phpwebsite/ Our meetings are the 3rd Thursday at the Wayne Library during the winter and at the field during the summer months. Our training nights are on Wednesdays once it warms up again but there are some guys that fly now and may help you out. I've only been flying since last June and still have my Hobbico trainer and now a low wing. If you have anymore questions about our club, PM me.
12-23-2009 | 11:02 AM
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I live close to you and fly at the Flying Pilgrims field. http://www.flyingpilgrims.com/phpwebsite/ Our meetings are the 3rd Thursday at the Wayne Library during the winter and at the field during the summer months. Our training nights are on Wednesdays once it warms up again but there are some guys that fly now and may help you out. I've only been flying since last June and still have my Hobbico trainer and now a low wing. If you have anymore questions about our club, PM me.
I live close to you and fly at the Flying Pilgrims field. http://www.flyingpilgrims.com/phpwebsite/ Our meetings are the 3rd Thursday at the Wayne Library during the winter and at the field during the summer months. Our training nights are on Wednesdays once it warms up again but there are some guys that fly now and may help you out. I've only been flying since last June and still have my Hobbico trainer and now a low wing. If you have anymore questions about our club, PM me.
Hey thanks mikes145.
I will definitely be PMing you in the New Year once I return home from the holiday's. Hopefully you guys have some day time stuff too? My school is Monday to Friday (3:30 p.m. - 10 p.m.). I can see this being very constricting, hopefully not.
Anyways, we can discuss things more in the New Year.
Happy Holidays all!
Brad
