Down she goes! Glue Anyone?
08-18-2010 | 03:32 PM
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I hit the field early this AM. It was a very nice day.
I had one of the club members check my Ultra Stick 40 and I had him take it up and trim it out. It turned out it did not need much.
He asked me if I wanted to fly it and I took it around the field a few times. Then he asked if I wanted to land it and I said sure.
As I made the final turn for approach I nosed it in and destroyed it. By the time he noted I was too low it was too late. My fault anyway. I know he felt bad about it.
The motor seemsOK and is the receiver and such but the plane is toast.
I crash better than anyone I know!
Now to find another model to put the parts into.
I think a gentle handling trainer is in order and I like building as much as flying anyway.
I had one of the club members check my Ultra Stick 40 and I had him take it up and trim it out. It turned out it did not need much.
He asked me if I wanted to fly it and I took it around the field a few times. Then he asked if I wanted to land it and I said sure.
As I made the final turn for approach I nosed it in and destroyed it. By the time he noted I was too low it was too late. My fault anyway. I know he felt bad about it.
The motor seemsOK and is the receiver and such but the plane is toast.
I crash better than anyone I know!
Now to find another model to put the parts into.
I think a gentle handling trainer is in order and I like building as much as flying anyway.
08-18-2010 | 03:46 PM
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That's not so bad. I've repaired worse. Sticks are an easy and worthwhile rebuild if the wing isn't too badly damaged. The Ultra Sticks are great planes, I'm saddened that they have been discontinued.
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08-18-2010 | 03:50 PM
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Yes the wing was reallybad. And the fuse itself has nothing usableforward of the servo tray and it's ripped lose too.
Oh well, just getting back into this and looking forward to my next build with all the stuff I have learned here and at the field.
The next one will be better. I don't know if my flying skills will be however.
Oh well, just getting back into this and looking forward to my next build with all the stuff I have learned here and at the field.
The next one will be better. I don't know if my flying skills will be however.
08-18-2010 | 05:18 PM
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Looks like you are holding a HANGER 4.5 product to me ! 
Hang in there...better days are coming...you are still enjoying yourself..thats what matters.
Hang in there...better days are coming...you are still enjoying yourself..thats what matters.
08-18-2010 | 07:42 PM
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Bummer,
However don't toss any part of it yet. Rebuilding is not to tough to do even when it looks bad.
I bet you could have it ready to recover in 2 or 3 evenings. Bringing one like that back to the field well rebuilt may cause the guys to think you just bought a new one
Majic model filler (Spackle lite) is your buddy!
However don't toss any part of it yet. Rebuilding is not to tough to do even when it looks bad.
I bet you could have it ready to recover in 2 or 3 evenings. Bringing one like that back to the field well rebuilt may cause the guys to think you just bought a new one
Majic model filler (Spackle lite) is your buddy!
08-18-2010 | 07:59 PM
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Already stripped for parts and gone with the AM trash.
I had crashed many times in when I was in RC in the 70s, but this one really did a lot of damage.
I guess in my heart I just did not want to rebuilt it.
But that's OK, I will select another and start again.
Maybe a Telemaster or something very similar.
I had crashed many times in when I was in RC in the 70s, but this one really did a lot of damage.
I guess in my heart I just did not want to rebuilt it.
But that's OK, I will select another and start again.
Maybe a Telemaster or something very similar.
08-18-2010 | 08:54 PM
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Crashing is part of this sport. Even if I have a small crash, I simply just chuck the plane and start over w/a new one. I figure it takes just as much time to put together an ARF as it takes to repair a crashed plane. Time is more important to me.<div></div><div>My first plane was a Nexstar. 15 sec of flight. No training, no balancing. I think I even had the ailerons in reverse. Dumn enthusiastic joy. Just went up. It came back down pretty quick. "Well, there goes that." Simply just threw it into the trash on my way into the house. Got on the computer and ordered myself a Tower Trainer 40 same evening. </div><div></div><div>It's not so much the plane as the nerves you must overcome on the next maiden. </div><div></div><div>It's hard to get an instructor to fit my busy time schedule, and sometimes I just feel like flying and I don't feel like waiting on anyone. So, I just wingedit (no pun intended). My next plane, I simply took the new plane out and took it up. Trimmed it and got it flying. Landed it too. Not really any experience whatsoever. Just kinda thought I could do it. However, my enthusiasm for the sport had less cursory, more caution. I made sure I balanced it before going up and made sure the servos were going in the correct direction. 
</div><div></div><div>Don't feel too bad. Simply get back up and fly again. </div><div></div><div>When I told my bro about my new found hobby, he stated, "It's kids play." Move along. Perhaps, it's no big deal.</div><div></div><div>When asked what he does when he falls off his motorcycle, Jay Leno replied, "It's just like sex, simply hop right back on." </div><div></div><div>In short, learn from your mistakes and get right back in the game.</div><div></div><div>In regards to marriage, everyone deserves a chance at divorce. In regards to flying, everyone deserves a shot a crashing.</div><div></div><div>Get a Tower Trainer. It's one of the least inexpensive planes to crash. Flies alright too. </div>
</div><div></div><div>Don't feel too bad. Simply get back up and fly again. </div><div></div><div>When I told my bro about my new found hobby, he stated, "It's kids play." Move along. Perhaps, it's no big deal.</div><div></div><div>When asked what he does when he falls off his motorcycle, Jay Leno replied, "It's just like sex, simply hop right back on." </div><div></div><div>In short, learn from your mistakes and get right back in the game.</div><div></div><div>In regards to marriage, everyone deserves a chance at divorce. In regards to flying, everyone deserves a shot a crashing.</div><div></div><div>Get a Tower Trainer. It's one of the least inexpensive planes to crash. Flies alright too. </div>
08-18-2010 | 08:58 PM
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Get a Goldberg Tiger 60. You'll love it!
Get a Goldberg Tiger 60. You'll love it!
I think my skills may may a little rusty for that one unless it flies really easy.
08-18-2010 | 09:08 PM
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Crashing is part of this sport. Even if I have a small crash, I simply just chuck the plane and start over w/a new one. I figure it takes just as much time to put together an ARF as it takes to repair a crashed plane. Time is more important to me.<div></div><div>My first plane was a Nexstar. 15 sec of flight. No training, no balancing. I think I even had the ailerons in reverse. Dumn enthusiastic joy. Just went up. It came back down pretty quick. "Well, there goes that." Simply just threw it into the trash on my way into the house. Got on the computer and ordered myself a Tower Trainer 40 same evening. </div><div></div><div>It's not so much the plane as the nerves you must overcome on the next maiden. </div><div></div><div>It's hard to get an instructor to fit my busy time schedule, and sometimes I just feel like flying and I don't feel like waiting on anyone. So, I just wingedit (no pun intended). My next plane, I simply took the new plane out and took it up. Trimmed it and got it flying. Landed it too. Not really any experience whatsoever. Just kinda thought I could do it. However, my enthusiasm for the sport had less cursory, more caution. I made sure I balanced it before going up and made sure the servos were going in the correct direction.</div><div></div><div>Don't feel too bad. Simply get back up and fly again. </div><div></div><div>When I told my bro about my new found hobby, he stated, "It's kids play." Move along. Perhaps, it's no big deal.</div><div></div><div>When asked what he does when he falls off his motorcycle, Jay Leno replied, "It's just like sex, simply hop right back on." </div><div></div><div>In short, learn from your mistakes and get right back in the game.</div><div></div><div>In regards to marriage, everyone deserves a chance at divorce. In regards to flying, everyone deserves a shot a crashing.</div><div></div><div>Get a Tower Trainer. It's one of the least inexpensive planes to crash. Flies alright too. </div>
Crashing is part of this sport. Even if I have a small crash, I simply just chuck the plane and start over w/a new one. I figure it takes just as much time to put together an ARF as it takes to repair a crashed plane. Time is more important to me.<div></div><div>My first plane was a Nexstar. 15 sec of flight. No training, no balancing. I think I even had the ailerons in reverse. Dumn enthusiastic joy. Just went up. It came back down pretty quick. "Well, there goes that." Simply just threw it into the trash on my way into the house. Got on the computer and ordered myself a Tower Trainer 40 same evening. </div><div></div><div>It's not so much the plane as the nerves you must overcome on the next maiden. </div><div></div><div>It's hard to get an instructor to fit my busy time schedule, and sometimes I just feel like flying and I don't feel like waiting on anyone. So, I just wingedit (no pun intended). My next plane, I simply took the new plane out and took it up. Trimmed it and got it flying. Landed it too. Not really any experience whatsoever. Just kinda thought I could do it. However, my enthusiasm for the sport had less cursory, more caution. I made sure I balanced it before going up and made sure the servos were going in the correct direction.
</div><div></div><div>Don't feel too bad. Simply get back up and fly again. </div><div></div><div>When I told my bro about my new found hobby, he stated, "It's kids play." Move along. Perhaps, it's no big deal.</div><div></div><div>When asked what he does when he falls off his motorcycle, Jay Leno replied, "It's just like sex, simply hop right back on." </div><div></div><div>In short, learn from your mistakes and get right back in the game.</div><div></div><div>In regards to marriage, everyone deserves a chance at divorce. In regards to flying, everyone deserves a shot a crashing.</div><div></div><div>Get a Tower Trainer. It's one of the least inexpensive planes to crash. Flies alright too. </div>
When I started in RC in the 70s after my 6 years was up in the Army in '72I built a plane, put a much larger motor on it than it was supposed to have and when it came to control surfaces I said~~~"if 1" of throw is good 2" has to be better". I got off the ground without regards to balance and looked right back into it and totaled the plane.
I built several others and was starting to get a pretty good hang of things but my job and schooling and the young family really had to take priority if you know what I mean. Now it's just the wife and I and we have our own hobbies to keep us busy. I decided to give this another try and someday hope to build from plans.
As a retiree I have lots of time, I just have to watch the budget.
Building keeps me busy and I have always liked doing something like that. I spent my career working electronics and was a ham for a number of years and lost interest in that. I built cars for some time but that's entirely too expensive for the retirement budget.
RC seems to fit the bill along with a little volunteer work now.
08-18-2010 | 09:28 PM
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Krashkart,
Well they all have that invisable expiration date! I have pitched a few also. I don't care much to rebuild one that has had a couple of rebuilds on it already.
However A trick I like for major crashes like yours is to reassemble the fuse as straight as possible sand it down a bit. Slip a nylon stocking over it (cut off the foot) spread a slow thin epoxy all over it. 30 minute finishing epoxy or slower. Use paper towels to blot off as much excess epoxy as possible. This yields a very light repair and eliminates most of the new seams.
I can ussually get this kind of repair done sooner than the new kit can come in the mail.
Well they all have that invisable expiration date! I have pitched a few also. I don't care much to rebuild one that has had a couple of rebuilds on it already.
However A trick I like for major crashes like yours is to reassemble the fuse as straight as possible sand it down a bit. Slip a nylon stocking over it (cut off the foot) spread a slow thin epoxy all over it. 30 minute finishing epoxy or slower. Use paper towels to blot off as much excess epoxy as possible. This yields a very light repair and eliminates most of the new seams.
I can ussually get this kind of repair done sooner than the new kit can come in the mail.
08-18-2010 | 10:36 PM
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Interesting, I have never heard of that method of repair and I will file that away.
My problem with repairing it was that nothing and I mean nothing short of the motor and the fuel than survived.
Now I did not see the hit as it went into a hill behind some 15' trees.
But there was nothing other than mentioned left of the fuse forward of the servo tray in the way of wood that was bigger than about 1 square inch.
It would have been a real jig saw puzzle at best. I rebuilt some in the 70s fusing and using new wood of course.
For some reason I was just not motivated to so that this time.
I am just happy the motor and electronics survived it all.
My problem with repairing it was that nothing and I mean nothing short of the motor and the fuel than survived.
Now I did not see the hit as it went into a hill behind some 15' trees.
But there was nothing other than mentioned left of the fuse forward of the servo tray in the way of wood that was bigger than about 1 square inch.
It would have been a real jig saw puzzle at best. I rebuilt some in the 70s fusing and using new wood of course.
For some reason I was just not motivated to so that this time.
I am just happy the motor and electronics survived it all.
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Krashkart,
Well they all have that invisable expiration date! I have pitched a few also. I don't care much to rebuild one that has had a couple of rebuilds on it already.
However A trick I like for major crashes like yours is to reassemble the fuse as straight as possible sand it down a bit. Slip a nylon stocking over it (cut off the foot) spread a slow thin epoxy all over it. 30 minute finishing epoxy or slower. Use paper towels to blot off as much excess epoxy as possible. This yields a very light repair and eliminates most of the new seams.
I can ussually get this kind of repair done sooner than the new kit can come in the mail.
Krashkart,
Well they all have that invisable expiration date! I have pitched a few also. I don't care much to rebuild one that has had a couple of rebuilds on it already.
However A trick I like for major crashes like yours is to reassemble the fuse as straight as possible sand it down a bit. Slip a nylon stocking over it (cut off the foot) spread a slow thin epoxy all over it. 30 minute finishing epoxy or slower. Use paper towels to blot off as much excess epoxy as possible. This yields a very light repair and eliminates most of the new seams.
I can ussually get this kind of repair done sooner than the new kit can come in the mail.
08-18-2010 | 10:38 PM
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Actually I think you had my hit beat~~and I assume that you did not try to rebuild that one???
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Looks similar to my first Ultra Stick 40!
Looks similar to my first Ultra Stick 40!
08-18-2010 | 10:52 PM
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Honestly you should by one of the foam cubs out there.. it would let you get the feel back, or better..and its pretty cheap to fix, or replace parts..just an idea.
I don't think you'd regret the purchase.
I don't think you'd regret the purchase.
08-19-2010 | 10:03 AM
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Ken, one reason the Ultra Stick appears "beyond repair" is that it is all lite ply. It's light and fairly strong when they put it together, but, when it breaks there's not much left. I know one or two who would have repaired it. Everyone else I fly with would have stripped and tossed the airframe.
Since you want to build the next one, here are a couple of suggestions:
Great Planes PT-40 or 60. The GP trainer kits have a mostly balsa fuselage where many other brands use lite ply. If/When the balsa planes crash, the pieces are usually bigger than if they were lite ply. In my mind the 60 size would be a better match for your Saito .82
Sig Astro Hog. This is an old style, all balsa, "builders kit" that will really challenge you but it is a great flying model that you should be able to fly with no problems. Mine (in my avatar) had a .70 four stroke and it flew very well. My brother currently has one with a .91 four stroke that he thinks is better. Your .82 would work great on it.
Since you want to build the next one, here are a couple of suggestions:
Great Planes PT-40 or 60. The GP trainer kits have a mostly balsa fuselage where many other brands use lite ply. If/When the balsa planes crash, the pieces are usually bigger than if they were lite ply. In my mind the 60 size would be a better match for your Saito .82
Sig Astro Hog. This is an old style, all balsa, "builders kit" that will really challenge you but it is a great flying model that you should be able to fly with no problems. Mine (in my avatar) had a .70 four stroke and it flew very well. My brother currently has one with a .91 four stroke that he thinks is better. Your .82 would work great on it.
08-19-2010 | 10:39 AM
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if you think the wing can be repaired, then you might consider ordering a new fuse and salvaging the vertical and horizontal stabs. This is what I did after my last Big Stik 60 crash. Only cost $50 versus buying a new model.
08-19-2010 | 11:09 AM
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Windgap typed: Crashing is part of this sport.
I have to ask just how much a part of the sport is crashing?
I have had a few crashes and even so, I don't consider crashing a part of the sport. I more consider that something that occurs when circumstances are such that it is unavoidable and you have to react to the circumstances. To me it is like driving an automobile. I don't consider wrecking my car part of driving the automobile. It usually comes from a reaction to a set of circumstances that lead to the accident.
Maybe I am missing something in this. If conditions are favorable why would someone crash? I have had a few crashes because I handled my plane(s) incorrectly (change in conditions), but the majority have been because of a mechanical failure and this was usually an engine issue.
Maybe I just think it should be a very TINY part of the sport
I have to ask just how much a part of the sport is crashing?
I have had a few crashes and even so, I don't consider crashing a part of the sport. I more consider that something that occurs when circumstances are such that it is unavoidable and you have to react to the circumstances. To me it is like driving an automobile. I don't consider wrecking my car part of driving the automobile. It usually comes from a reaction to a set of circumstances that lead to the accident.
Maybe I am missing something in this. If conditions are favorable why would someone crash? I have had a few crashes because I handled my plane(s) incorrectly (change in conditions), but the majority have been because of a mechanical failure and this was usually an engine issue.
Maybe I just think it should be a very TINY part of the sport
08-19-2010 | 11:42 AM
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The wing in the opinion of several club members was beyond economical repair. The problem is that when it came down it came down amongst a bunch of trees and the wing really took a lot of damage going through the manzanita trees. When the wing was picked up chunks of wood came out of it from 3 different large holes. There were other areas that were crushed too. Those trees are very hard and anyone that has tried to remove them or cut them knows this well.
Funny that you and I are thinking alike to match the only motor I have, the Saito 82. I was looking for a trainer that could use it as all I have other than that motor is a small electric, a Slow Stick. I hate to have to buy another motor right now if you know what I mean.
I was looking at the Sig Kadet Senior ARF as it has ailerons. I noted that a few said they had the Saito 56 and 65 on them which weigh in at 14.5 and 19.4 Oz while my 82 comes in at 17.6 so I thought that might be a match too. Sig is out of them right now but they are available at some stores still.
I see the GPPT-60 says it will take my motor weight wise too so I will have to look into it. It's a it vs. an ARF but that's OK as I used to build years ago. Things are just a little different now building wise than 30 years ago. It may do me good to get into building again anyway.
Funny that you and I are thinking alike to match the only motor I have, the Saito 82. I was looking for a trainer that could use it as all I have other than that motor is a small electric, a Slow Stick. I hate to have to buy another motor right now if you know what I mean.
I was looking at the Sig Kadet Senior ARF as it has ailerons. I noted that a few said they had the Saito 56 and 65 on them which weigh in at 14.5 and 19.4 Oz while my 82 comes in at 17.6 so I thought that might be a match too. Sig is out of them right now but they are available at some stores still.
I see the GPPT-60 says it will take my motor weight wise too so I will have to look into it. It's a it vs. an ARF but that's OK as I used to build years ago. Things are just a little different now building wise than 30 years ago. It may do me good to get into building again anyway.
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Ken, one reason the Ultra Stick appears "beyond repair" is that it is all lite ply. It's light and fairly strong when they put it together, but, when it breaks there's not much left. I know one or two who would have repaired it. Everyone else I fly with would have stripped and tossed the airframe.
Since you want to build the next one, here are a couple of suggestions:
Great Planes PT-40 or 60. The GP trainer kits have a mostly balsa fuselage where many other brands use lite ply. If/When the balsa planes crash, the pieces are usually bigger than if they were lite ply. In my mind the 60 size would be a better match for your Saito .82
Sig Astro Hog. This is an old style, all balsa, "builders kit" that will really challenge you but it is a great flying model that you should be able to fly with no problems. Mine (in my avatar) had a .70 four stroke and it flew very well. My brother currently has one with a .91 four stroke that he thinks is better. Your .82 would work great on it.
Ken, one reason the Ultra Stick appears "beyond repair" is that it is all lite ply. It's light and fairly strong when they put it together, but, when it breaks there's not much left. I know one or two who would have repaired it. Everyone else I fly with would have stripped and tossed the airframe.
Since you want to build the next one, here are a couple of suggestions:
Great Planes PT-40 or 60. The GP trainer kits have a mostly balsa fuselage where many other brands use lite ply. If/When the balsa planes crash, the pieces are usually bigger than if they were lite ply. In my mind the 60 size would be a better match for your Saito .82
Sig Astro Hog. This is an old style, all balsa, "builders kit" that will really challenge you but it is a great flying model that you should be able to fly with no problems. Mine (in my avatar) had a .70 four stroke and it flew very well. My brother currently has one with a .91 four stroke that he thinks is better. Your .82 would work great on it.
08-19-2010 | 12:16 PM
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I absolutely love the stick, I have to say they are my favorit to fly, outside of WAr-birds but do enjoy flying almost any plane, There is always a stick that goes with me to the field, But I would get a good trainer like the Tower trainer and get some stick time! Then the sky is the limit!
My girlfriend told me if I gave up RC planes I would have time for other things, WHAT OTHER THINGS?
My girlfriend told me if I gave up RC planes I would have time for other things, WHAT OTHER THINGS?
08-19-2010 | 12:40 PM
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Since you already have the 82, and it is a great engine that can fit a bunch of different models, it makes sense to use it. Spend money on a new airframe rather than buying an engine AND airframe.
One of the posts mentioned the Telemaster, which I thought was only available as a kit, so I mentioned a few other kits that are mostly balsa with very little plywood.
If you do not already have lots of "airplane stuff" it will cost more to build and finish a kit compared to getting an ARF. It takes me a year (or more) to do a build so the time commitment has to be considered.
If you go with an ARF, there are a lot of choices that are supposed to be easy flyers:
High wing trainers
Tower Trainer 60 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCAS1&P=0
Hobbico Hobbistar 60 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCSY9&P=0 (the previous version was my first plane)
Any other "trainer" ARF that fits the engine (most likely "60" size)
Low wing sport planes
Hangar 9 Pulse XT 40 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN4100
Seagull Spacewalker II 40 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=SEA2050
Goldberg Tiger (mentioned by Minnflyer) if you can find an ARF in stock
SIG Four Star 60 if you can find one in stock
One of the posts mentioned the Telemaster, which I thought was only available as a kit, so I mentioned a few other kits that are mostly balsa with very little plywood.
If you do not already have lots of "airplane stuff" it will cost more to build and finish a kit compared to getting an ARF. It takes me a year (or more) to do a build so the time commitment has to be considered.
If you go with an ARF, there are a lot of choices that are supposed to be easy flyers:
High wing trainers
Tower Trainer 60 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCAS1&P=0
Hobbico Hobbistar 60 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCSY9&P=0 (the previous version was my first plane)
Any other "trainer" ARF that fits the engine (most likely "60" size)
Low wing sport planes
Hangar 9 Pulse XT 40 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN4100
Seagull Spacewalker II 40 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=SEA2050
Goldberg Tiger (mentioned by Minnflyer) if you can find an ARF in stock
SIG Four Star 60 if you can find one in stock
08-19-2010 | 01:19 PM
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From: Up in the Mountains AZ
RE: Down she goes! Glue Anyone?
I am thinking that perhaps the senior telemaster would work nicely. It's available as a kit or an ARF.
I have looked at it flying on a number of videos.
The Goldberg Tiger is very interesting too but It is rated intermediate and maybe I need to scale back to beginner again.
I have looked at it flying on a number of videos.
The Goldberg Tiger is very interesting too but It is rated intermediate and maybe I need to scale back to beginner again.
