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How's this for a second plane
My next plane, i am getting a new radio also, So i can set some model memory. Hows this look. the uproar is just a good lookig plane for the price. What engine do i need to be able to do a good amount of 3d, speed isnt an issue i have a throttle for that
Picture Stock Number Manufacturer and Product Description Order Qty Ship Qty Back Order Qty Price Each Remove From Cart LXJA52 Tower Hobbies Uproar 40 Kit .32-.40,48" Accessories Needed Combo Available 1 39.99 LXDXL4 GMS .40 ABC BB w/Muffler Accessories Needed 1 59.99 LXHYK742 Futaba 6EXAS 6-Channel FM/4 S3004 Servos 42 Accessories Needed 1 179.99 |
RE: How's this for a second plane
What's your budget?
Also are you a pretty good flyer? If your really good the uproar would be fine! However I would not recomend it... If you want to go low-wing the TIGER II, TIGER 60, and SIG 4-star (40-60) High wings I recomend the Ultra Sticks ... .40, .60 and 1.20 If you want 3D the UPROAR can 3D on a strong BB 46, The UCD Will be awesome on a SAITO .82, and the Twist will be good on a strong BB 46 2 stroke.. For the 3D planes you'd better be a really good pilot and use an instructor until your comfortable with them! I strongly advise another High wing (US) or the Low wings. |
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hmm.... ok. The thing is that uproar price is awsome. since it IS a kit, i could wait a good while about flying it and just flying my trainer and fet very proficient at flying it. Any other good planes under 70? I want a plane that will be able to do 3d, but not a 3d only plane if that makes since. I also want something cheap since i am getting a new radio
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From what I hear, the Sig 4 Star .60 is a great second plane...and if you extend the rudder and elevators about 1 inch, it is capable of some 3D maneuvers. The Somethin' Extra is a decent second plane also, but definitely touchier. Both can be made to do all but the most advanced maneuvers. I think the kit form of either plane can be had for between $70.00 and $80.00 (not the ARF versions). Both these are a little larger than the Uproar, also.
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Tower Hobbies has the 4 Star .60 kit listed at $91.99, but the Somethin Extra is in your range at $76.99. The 4 Star .40 is priced at $71.99 and is a good choice also.
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3D planes are a lot of fun, but they are somewhat limited as general purpose flyers. They are very lightly built and don't stand up well to rough handling -- something that you will probably give one at your current state of development. Additionally, if you want any speed forget 3D planes -- they have huge control surfaces that are prone to flutter at any interesting speed, and that will literally rip them appart. An aerobatic sport flyer like one of the 4-Stars, or even an Ultra Sport if you are cautious, would probably be a better choice.
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I've started flying my Tiger 2 and I can't say enough good things about this plane. Assembly was a bit of a pain with the ARF (badly fitting parts and a few other problems) but the plane flies beautifully! It has speed when you want it but will fly very slow.
Landing is different than a trainer, requires some power coming in but once its time to flare, it pulls itself down to the runway and sticks. Roll rates are nice and quick and with a .46 it has some good vertical (not unlmited but still nice). I have dual rates set up for the ailerons only right now (D/R on elevator is 100%/100%). I think it's easier than the trainer because it's not fighting me. You actually get to fly it instead of float around. Great for starting out learning pattern flying also. |
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Newb,
Sorry I didn't know the price barrier.. The Uproar would be a pretty good choice... The Sig Somethin' Extra is a GREAT flyer though.. I'd give it a look.. I don't know much about the Uproar and I've never seen one in person but I have flown the Somethin Extra. |
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Newb,
To fly 3D you need to have a complete understanding what the plane is doing and which controls you should move to keep it in a maneuver. Too many people try to move up or advance too quickly. They will eventually find that they are flying a plane that their skill level can't handle, and they usually end up crashing the plane. I know this from experience because I did the same thing. Flying 3D (or any other type of flying) isn't about the airplane, it's about your skills. Yes, it's important to have an airplane that can fly 3D but it's more important to have the skill to fly 3D. I've seen experienced 3D pilots hover a trainer!!! You get the experience the same way you get everything else, practice, practice, practice. Before you move to a second plane you need to stay with your trainer until you have mastered flying it. A good rule of thumb I use for people that I have taught to fly is when you can fly a complete circuit of your field inverted with your trainer, then you are ready to move up. Until then, keep practicing. You should get a second plane that will allow you to advance your flying skills but will still be forgiving if you get into trouble. The Sig 4* and the Goldberg Tiger II are both excellent planes for this, but not the only planes either that will fit this bill. While you are flying your second plane it might be a good time to start building your 3rd plane (if you want to build). When I refer to experience on a plane (your 1st or 2nd plane) I'm not talking about a few flights, but rather months of flying. You should be able to measure your flights in gallons of fuel through the plane before you move up. I know there are people out there that are going to argue with me, and that is definitely their choice to do so, but I will firmly stick to my beliefs here. The only way to get where you want to be is experience, and there is only one way to get there. If were easy than all of us would be standing on the podium at the professional flying events. Hang in there, I have no doubt in my mind that you'll be flying 3D in no time if you work at it. That's my 02ยข worth. |
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When I refer to experience on a plane (your 1st or 2nd plane) I'm not talking about a few flights, but rather months of flying. You should be able to measure your flights in gallons of fuel through the plane before you move up. As a matter of fact A lot of posts here paint an over optimistic picture of the skills and time its takes to aquire them In my humble opinion;) BTW when picking the plane try to pick one that best suits you current skills that will also advance with you. In other words the uproar great price won't seem that great if you crash it in 30 seconds;) |
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You may want to look into the radio you are considering. I am not sure about exponential on it. Make sure it has that, if you are considering a plane that is 3D capable. To have the controls as radical to do 3D moves, you need something to take the sensitivity out around the center of your sticks, to keep you out of trouble. Most of us flying 3d specific planes put them on high rates and leave them there. With the expo, you have allot of control when the plane slows down when you need it, but not so much that you are over-reacting to slight stick moves.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND this plane as a second airplane. It is a little close coupled and can get to be a hand full very quickly. If you want a good beginners 3D plane the Magic ARF, for $99.00 is hard to beat and fairly rugged and forgiving. It will fly well on your trainer engine since it usually weighs about 3.5 pounds. I had one with a .40 FP and Mac's pipe, ran an APC 12.25X3.75 prop and it would hover at about 3/4 throttle and land like a butterfly. But I was using a Computer radio with expo in it. You may want to spend a little more on the radio and look into the FUTABA 7CA. It should satisfy your growing need for bigger and better and more capable, longer than the EX. Good Luck! |
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ok, thanks guys. I have a couple of planes that i don't know if they would be good, but I am at school now and dont have time to find the planes. What about a highwing scale? Or Am i ready?
Nvm heres the planes i like: Goldberg tiger 4* Great planes slow poke Great planes pete n poke Patriot 40 (though it is probably too fast Great planes dazzler Lanier stinger and shrike Sig SE top flite RC nobler and elder US aircore sport 40 I know, alot right now, but just critique me and I am going to start narrowing down. |
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And, at 99 dollars, you'll spend a WHOLE lot LESS than you would with that 60 dollar kit! Guaranteed!
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now that i think about it,just something that will keep me entertained for a little while. Not anything like SUPER 3d or something. Just one i could hang on the prop every now and then
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Newb,
The Ultra Stick series from Hanger 9 are GREAT Flying planes! They're very versatile, can fly fast, slow, sport, 3D and carry a payload (camera, bomb bay ect) I'm flying the Ultra Stick Lite (1.20) now with a Super Tigre G2300 and it flies 10X better than my Superstar did. i'm really big into 3D and pattern/IMAC and this plane does whatever I want it to. I can fly lazy circles, loops, rolls, hammerheads, and spins on Low rates then flip it to High and pull every manuever in the book! I know the 1.20 sized is way more expensive than what your looking for but Check out the .40 sized.. I thinks it's around $130.. IMO the sticks are some of the best planes flyin. now with your other plane choices: I'd say the GP Patriot and Lanier Stinger and Shrike are out for sure. I wouldn't go with the Air core plane either. The Goldberg Tiger 2 is a great Flyer.. i've flown one with a Vmax .52 then later the guy opted for a GMS .76. It flew great with both but one mod to make is to extend the rudder out 1-1.5 inches. If you can shell out for the .60 sized it's a great performer with a SAITO .91 or Super Tigre G90 I've never personally flown the Sig SE but there's a guy flying one at our club and it seems to fly great. i've never seen a 4-star fly.. but I've heard they're similar to the Tigers. I'd go with either the Tiger or the Ultra Stick |
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Thanks iceman, I am not sure yet. I want it to be a taildragger, but trike will do, I just need ot look more
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now that i think about it,just something that will keep me entertained for a little while. |
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lol, it has, and will continue, but the trainer is so tame. I want something with speed or aerobatic capable
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lol, it has, and will continue, but the trainer is so tame. I want something with speed or aerobatic capable I'd get a Tiger II or a World models Super Sports 40 After mastering the trainer. Since you seem to have an instructor I'd ask him how long untill he thinks you are ready and what he would recommend. Since he has seen you fly he is the most qualified judge of your experience |
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ok, I think we will go flying sometime this week. So i will ask him then. But we talked lately, and he said it really just depends on how long i want to wait to get one. So, i really dunno.
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I can tell you to go ahead and scratch the GP Slow Poke off your list. I have one and even though it's one of my favorite planes, it has a few habits that will make it a lousy 2nd plane for you. I'd also scratch off the Sig SE. While it's a great flying airplane and you can tame it down quite a bit, it's still too much to handle has a 2nd plane.
When I learned to fly my instructor (and others at my field) to me that I needed to fly my trainer until the covering came off it. I know that I would go out and do nothing but touch-and-gos for a tank or two of fuel. then I would do something else the same way. I wasn't kidding when I said this earlier, when you can fly your trainer around the field inverted then you'll be ready to move up. Like most everything else in life you just need to practice to get better at it. If you try to move up too fast all you're going to do is make a pile of splinters out of whatever plane you get next. |
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ok. I thought of another thing that would limit the plane also, It would ened to be a good first kit
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Newb,
The Ultra Sticks are all taildraggers.. The Sig 4* 40 and 60 are tail draggers and the Tiger II and Tiger 60 are easily converted... All you have to buy is some lite ply (or other hard wood) and MAYBE some Tri-stock. Then your choice of main gear, a tail wheel assem. and some misc bolts screw blind nuts ect./ Very simple conversion |
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Thanks Ice man,
I have bee doing a little comparison and heres what i have liked about each plane and some planes I am interested in these are all by what the manufacturer says by the way Pete 'N Poke Modeled after older plane. Looks good. And loses very little altitude after stall. Good taildragger. Semiscale Top Flite elder -Modeled off of the Eindecker, which i did a project on and really liked the plane. -Taildragger -Semi Scal Warbird. -Very vintage and realistic. -I am guessing thats a highwing, hard to say. Sig 4* 40 -Never heard a good thing about it. -Taildragger -Great looking plane - Good landing gear included -Canopy/pilot is always a + GP Rapture 40 -skynard man has only said good things about it. -taildragger, yet still is a nice little sport plane like the 4* So here are pretty much my final choices. Let me know the pluses and minuses and please correct my wrong info |
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ok. I thought of another thing that would limit the plane also, It would ened to be a good first kit I'm not trying to discourage you but you will not be able to build a plane for the price of the most decent ARFs. Figure 50-100 above the kit price for glues, covering additional hardware, fuel tank, and some basic modeling tools. Don't let this discourage you building is a blast and a hobby on to itself with its own set of costs |
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Crashem, Money is not an issue, It jsut means i have to save up longer. So i am prepared for extra costs. the color scheme I am doing is pretty much set in stone though.
The fuse will be orange with a blue wing or vice versa and the wing will say Auburn on top and Tigers on bottom, might just do orange top wing and blue lettering and blue bottom and orange lettering for bottom with white fuse |
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Newb... I hope your being sarcastic about never hearing anything good about the 4*! If not then you haven't read ANYTHING posted on RCU!:D
Every one seems to really like the 4* So I would go with the 4* 60 Kit. The bigger the plane the more stable it will be, and smoother too. Also you want every one to see your a Tigers fan right?:) I think they make/made a 4* 1.20 any one know? You didn't mention the Tiger.. Something steer you away? It'd be cool to do a Tiger 60 in the Aubrun Tigers trim[>:] |
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I meant bad ice, Do you have AIM? Get on lets chat sometime bout RC
The tiger would be cool, but i want something closest to TD already |
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Sorry for the back to back post, but what about the voyager? I will convert it to Tail dragger if i got it, or just leave it as trike, but you can't beat that price. Any opinions?
I would end up haveing everything needde for under 320. Which will take a while, but well worth it. |
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Newb.. Sorry I don't have AIM.., I have MSN though if you have that too.
The Tower Voyager Is a great flying plane.. I'd recomend it also (can't believe I forgot it![&:]) I yould leave it trike though as it wouldbe hard to do a taildragger conversion on that part. plane |
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Yup, Sig still makes the 4 Star 1.20... kit form only, no ARF. It's my choice for my second plane, and there's one sitting by my buid table as we speak! Should keep my smilin for a while with a Saito 1.50!!:D Just gonna take my sweet time building it, though.
ORIGINAL: ICE_MAN Newb... I hope your being sarcastic about never hearing anything good about the 4*! If not then you haven't read ANYTHING posted on RCU!:D Every one seems to really like the 4* So I would go with the 4* 60 Kit. The bigger the plane the more stable it will be, and smoother too. Also you want every one to see your a Tigers fan right?:) I think they make/made a 4* 1.20 any one know? You didn't mention the Tiger.. Something steer you away? It'd be cool to do a Tiger 60 in the Aubrun Tigers trim[>:] |
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I have a 4*60 with enlarged rudder and elevator with a Magnum .91...
I LOVE it! Very fun... flat spins... hover ( a little, it is still just a bit underpowered for hovering) great fun flyer....and still flies very nicely slowly...... |
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Ok, I think i will get the 4*. I am really interested in the Top fltie elder though. It looks like a cool plane. Any opinons?
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4 * is a great choice. Just take your time and learn to really fly each new plane before attempting the next if you do this after about the third or fourth plane. You will have become skilled enough were you can pick virtually any plane without having to worry that it is too much for you to handle.
You seem to have just started from what I've read here. May I suggest you fly your trainer for this entire season. Then next season do the same with your 4 *. I'd be willing to bet that just doing this would increase your skills beyond belief. |
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ok crashem. I guess i will order the biggest 4* and save money up where I can make it how i want it to be
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Newb,
what size 4*? the 1.20? |
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just to throw in my .02 here... the World Models T-34 is a super sweet plane... stand-off scale at best but flies like a dream. I can hover it (for a few seconds) snaps like crazy and lands as slow as my avistar did. Going from your current plane to this one should be no problem. It wont do super 3-d manuevers unless I enlarge control surfaces but it's the perfect eveyday flyer... can't go wrong. plus it's an ARF for 110 bucks or so... goes together easy and flies like a champ with just about any engine you want to put on it...
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hmm... I really want to biuld, yet i want to have a second plane to fly soon. But i guess i will wait. Most likely the 4* 60, but might go with the 40
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oops sorry.. didn't realize you wanted to build.. goon on ya' for sure. I'd go with the 4* line myself then if I were you. I've never had or flown one but with all the great reviews you can't go wrong. Plus.. if you stick with it and build straight and true and to the instructions building a kit such as those dosen't really take tons of time anyway. It's actually quite enjoyable... that is until you try and shape the stupid spitfire wing fillets LOL....
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ORIGINAL: caseyh46 It's actually quite enjoyable... that is until you try and shape the stupid spitfire wing fillets LOL.... Casey :D:D:D |
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