Cockpit Windows?
 

I'm going to cover my Kadet Mark II in Cub Yellow Ultracote. What do you Ultracote guys use to simulate windows? The Monokote video shows those guys using some kind of special Monokote material for that purpose. Dark, installed on top of the Monokote covering, then cut out with a knife to make window dividers. I can't find anything similar in the Ultracote line.

Any ideas for me?

Frank

RE: Cockpit Windows?
 

You can use black or grey, or whatever color you want, cut out your window shaped pieces and iron them on. If you don't want to buy a whole other roll for just a few trim pieces, you can put Monokote trim sheet material over Ultracote without any problem.

Phil

RE: Cockpit Windows?
 

Here are a couple of typical Monocoate windows and how it is done shown by the pics of the blue Schneider. The open window bay is just covered as usual with any clear or colored transparents then a colored opaque section can be cutout with a window shape and applied over the clear.

I normally use only Monocoat, don,t care for Ultracoat it can be used as well.

John

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Clear monokote is handy for patches as well and having a roll of black around for trim is handy. I have applied non fuel proof logos and stuf and covered with a 1/2'' oversized piece of clear.[8D]

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Thanks All,
Guess I didn't make it clear that my old Kadet Mark II trainer doesn't have any actual openings for windows. Much like the more modern LT 40 that RCKen described, the cockpit area is just balsa. Windows are simulated with covering of a different color. I today found some "Ultra Trim" in a silver color, small roll, that will probably work OK for my purposes. It's an Ultracote iron-on material.

Thanks for the help,

Frank

RE: Cockpit Windows?
 

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_60.../tm.htm#603331
These techniques can be used for windows too. Just cut the shape you want and apply.

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Thanks here also, Bruce. That is a facinating thread, all new to me.
But our LHS carries only Ultracote, not Monokote. And since Ultra won't "Windex stick" to Ultra, I guess I'll have to try heat to put the silver windows on the yellow base. If I ever get that far!!

Frank

RE: Cockpit Windows?
 

The secret to making Ultracote work right is controlling the temp of your iron. Use a digital thermometer (if you don't have a digital kitchen thermometer, I highly recommend one. Makes cooking roast beef and/or turkey to the right done-ness a snap, too) to adjust the temp to the setting that the Ultracote instruction tell you is the adhesive point. You don't want it so hot that the shrinking begins before you've laid out the trim pieces (or windows, in this case) and stuck them down. Then, try to work across from one edge, or end, preferrably, to minimize the air bubbles trapped between the layers. After they're all stuck down good, a quick, careful sealing at the higher temp will permanently seal the edges so they don't lift over time. Just be careful not to shrink too much, or the edges will pull and come unstuck.

Good luck,

Phil

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Like Philip said, gray or black works, and I like to use chrome as well, but i use the trim sheets instead of the covering sheets. The trim sheet has an adhesive back that doesn't require heat to bond it.. Just cover the whole plane in your base color, then cut out window shaped pieces in the desired color of trim sheet and stick them on. The chrome reflects light really well, you'll get a flash reflection just like off glass.

BTW, the Kadet MKII was my first plane, and it was a good one. Just avoid mid-airs with 1/4 scale Cubs, you'll lose. I sure did:):)

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when I recovered my Nextar I used the peel and stick black monocoat sheets they come in 9"X3' sheets and are a few bucks ea.they stick to just about anything once you get them down they don't come off.
I just made a paper template and cut them out from that,I also used the stuff for simulated grip covering the top of my floats

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Thanks All!
Phlip: I'll look into getting a digital kitchen thermometer. Is it still just a probe you shove into the meat? Not sure how that works with a flat iron but I guess I'll learn. Today I received my Coverite "Pocket Thermometer" and tried it a bit. It didn't make much sense but I'll try it again tomorrow with more patience. I've lots to learn and do appreciare all the help.

khodges:
Yeah, contrary to what the LHS guy told me, the "Ultratrim" I bought is self-adhesive, not iron-on. Mine is Silver, not Chrome. Guess I'll try it for this go-around. If I survive to build another kit I'll have a lot more knowledge!!
Mid-air collision is the last of my worries. First I've got to get her airborne!!

bigtim:
Thanks for the advice. I can only get Ultracote locally but their trim sheets probably work the same as Monokote. MY GOSH!! You've got more stuff accumulated on your work bench than I have in-toto. Of course, this is my first plane so maybe I'll catch up with you later!!

RE: Cockpit Windows?
 

Yup, that's what it is. With mine, I just lay it down on the little aluminum iron tray, and put the iron on top of it. Works good.

Phil

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Fishin Geezer , what size engine you runnin on that vise? how does she fly? http://www.bassfishingworld.com/ecomotions/wink.gif

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:):)

Actually I'm hoping to run that new Magnum thru it's break-in procedure without messing up the half-built plane. Total newcomer here so all advice ia appreciated.

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OK, I'll offer my advice. Take it outside!

LOL

Phil

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you have no idea there Fishin Geezer, thats just one, of my tables for working on planes that I have ,thats my main build table,I have a wing assembly area, and a paint and detail area.
the nextar was just a side project for something to do with a trainer plane that was not being used,I am most interested in building WW II fighter planes,they really take up alot of space.

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I'll take that advice, Phil. I'm in what I'd call a detached garage with a standard garage door. I planned to move out to the door, turn the exhaust towards the open door, then try to start the engine. 20% Castor Oil I don't want deposited on all my other stuff.

bigtim:

WOW! This is all so new to me. I had no idea guys got so deeply into this hobby. I was a river fisherman until illness recently took me out of my drift boat (I'm an old guy). I'm now enjoying this hobby on a very small scale and hoping it will keep my mind and hands occupied. It's really nice of you folks to help me out and to help me along!!

Frank