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cappaj1 07-10-2008 02:53 PM

Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
Is there anything made that will allow you to fill your airplane with glo fuel without disconnecting the lines to the carb and muffler?

I saw this http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK135&P=ML

and wasn't sure if that's what it's for or how it works.

If there isn't anything, someone should invent something:)

Thanks.

Steve Steinbring 07-10-2008 03:03 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
Already done and used quite extensively.

A three system consisting of a carb line, muffler vent line, and a filler line to the tank. You can also put a "T" fitting into carb line to act as a filler port to the tank. There are several ways to do what you've asked.


rclement 07-10-2008 03:09 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
I would just install a three line system and use a plug for the filler connection. Those easy fueler valves can leak air over time and lean out your engine and cause problems.

chuck993 07-10-2008 03:10 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
Get a fuel Dot, about 6 bucks, that's all you need.

bassmanh 07-10-2008 03:26 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
cap,

heres another easy inexpensive way to go if you have a cowl on the planeor its just hard to get to the lines for fueling =

http://ecsvr.com/abm/ShopDisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes i just ordered 5 of them 1 for my hellcat 2 for my B-25 and 1 for my corsair.


heres another link to it that shows it a bit better top left photo.
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...asp?AGroupID=4



bassman

cappaj1 07-10-2008 04:21 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 

ORIGINAL: chuck993

Get a fuel Dot, about 6 bucks, that's all you need.
I think I found a link for those?? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK138&P=ML
or these?? http://www.centralhobbies.com/Fuel/f...s/tetdots.html

If that's right, I'm guessing you use those with tees http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXG846&P=ML and some extra fuel line, correct?

Thanks.

RCKen 07-10-2008 04:27 PM

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Here's a few diagrams to explain how a 3-line fuel dot system is set up.

Ken

cappaj1 07-10-2008 04:33 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 


ORIGINAL: RCKen

Here's a few diagrams to explain how a 3-line fuel dot system is set up.

Ken
Thanks, Ken; two questions:

With that system, when you fill, do you need to remove the muffler line to see when the tanks full?

Is what I'd need is a stopper for the tank with three lines, fuel line and a fuel dot to mount on the cowl?


RCKen 07-10-2008 04:44 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
Cappaj1,
You don't necessarily have to remove the muffler line to fill the tank. If the muffler is pointing down you can pump in fuel and when the tank is full the excess will flow out the muffler. It's very important that you do this on a muffler that points downward, otherwise the muffler will fill up with fuel.

For a three line system you need something to close the third fill line. Either a stopper or a fuel dot. On the B-25 review I just finished I used the stoppers that you listed above. Look at the review and you can see how I dealt with them. [link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1011[/link] . Presonally, I prefer the fuel dots. They are quick and easy to set up, and foolproof to use.

Ken

cappaj1 07-10-2008 05:18 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 

ORIGINAL: RCKen

Cappaj1,
You don't necessarily have to remove the muffler line to fill the tank. If the muffler is pointing down you can pump in fuel and when the tank is full the excess will flow out the muffler. It's very important that you do this on a muffler that points downward, otherwise the muffler will fill up with fuel.

For a three line system you need something to close the third fill line. Either a stopper or a fuel dot. On the B-25 review I just finished I used the stoppers that you listed above. Look at the review and you can see how I dealt with them. [link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1011[/link] . Presonally, I prefer the fuel dots. They are quick and easy to set up, and foolproof to use.

Ken
Thank you!

I skimmed the article - really nice build and article by the way - to the section on the three line system. Two more questions:

1) On the OS Max 46AX muffler the exhaust outlet is facing down but the connection for the tank line is on top. Is this okay?

2) Am I on track with about what I'd need below?

Stopper with three holes, three bendable lines, two clunks, fuel line, two cowl mounted threaded fuel dots ( http://www.centralhobbies.com/Fuel/f...s/tetdots.html ) ?


cappaj1 07-10-2008 06:43 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
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Also, how do these work (see photo of fuel dots below)?
After mounting on the fuselage, do you just pull the plug and insert a tube into the opening?
Is there any leaking while filling or are the connections pretty tight?
Also, any disadvantages to the three line fuel system?

Thanks in advance.

Charlie P. 07-10-2008 08:48 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 


ORIGINAL: cappaj1

Also, how do these work (see photo of fuel dots below)?
After mounting on the fuselage, do you just pull the plug and insert a tube into the opening?
Is there any leaking while filling or are the connections pretty tight?
Also, any disadvantages to the three line fuel system?

Thanks in advance.

1) The tube is run through the sl;eeve and when you pull out the "dot" plug it brings the tube out with it. Dieconnect the plug and connect your fuel fitting adapter.
B) Pretty tight.
iii) Not that I can think of. You should find an unobtrusive spot on a scale model but for sport the sky is the limit. I go one step cheaper and just use a fuel line plug that plugs the end of a fill line that is loose inside the cowl and hangs down beside the end of the vent line (which I also plug for transport in my stationwagon). http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXK138&P=ML Two for 95ยข

bassmanh 07-10-2008 08:50 PM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
cap,

the fuel line goes through the main body and the plug goes into the fuel line and then is pushed back into the hole.

see RCkens first picture it shows it well.



bassman

cappaj1 07-13-2008 05:36 AM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
On the OS Max 46AX muffler the exhaust outlet is facing down but the connection for the tank line is on top. Is this okay for a three line system?

Mikecam 07-13-2008 08:59 AM

RE: Fueling without disconnecting lines??
 
I have the 55 ax and I have the fueler you showed at the very top. I have had no problems with mine and I fill till I see fuel in the vent line, sometimes a little goes in the muffler but it does not cause a problem. Just before you see the fuel in the muffler line you will see air bubbles, that tells me that i am getting really close to full and that it is time to stop. I also found on my nexstar that if I lift the front up just 3 inches I get more fuel in but that would depend on where the vent line sits in the tank.


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