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I am into surface RC nitro vehicles, and have been looking into planes a bit. What is a trainer?

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I don't mean to be rude, but you've got over 800 posts here. You know how this place works by now, do a search.

A trainer is an airplane you use to learn how to fly with...They are slower, easier to fly, and usually very simple. It makes learning go much faster...

See if you can find the local flying field in your area and take a trip out there. Then you can see them for yourself and see how it all works...Seems like once the car guys try airplanes, they NEVER go back! :)

http://www.modelaircraft.org

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thanks for responding. My Im the time that it took to get 800 post, I learned that posting a question, gets a much more helpful response and a quicker one too. I appreciate the info. Thanks alot

Dan

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Try this:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJA47&P=0

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I was thinking something like this. I would like to build it if possible. Do you think this is alright? Give me your oppinion please

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...1p?&I=LZ1996**

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Replace the Air Core with a decent trainer like the Sig LT-40, Avistar, Superstar, or the Eagle 2.

With any of the above airplanes, you won't need wheels, wheel collars, or a spinner.

Replace the engine with a Thunder Tiger Pro .46 (my choice) or an O.S. .46 FX... Change the prop to an 11x5 Master Airscrew and try two of those to start with...After learning, you can switch over to APC props.

The wood ones are just too dang fragile and will break just from trying to start them. They are not real efficient either and you will lose a lot fo power.

With a couple changes, you will have the perfect setup.

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I can see your point BotleRocketWar, but we've been guilty of posting 'I agree', 'That's cool', 'Awesome plane', etc...or even me responding to this add. You should NEVER run out of questions, as if you do, then you should pack up and move on. Please don't take any offense, just my thoughts....

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I see what you're saying...I guess I just saw it as asking what an engine is in the engines forum. I have always liked helping the guys that do some research on their own. dan1220 does seem like he knows more than most...I don't know what I'm getting at, so I'll quit... :)

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Can someone tell me what an airplane is?

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Can someone tell me what an airplane is?

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Guys I really think the best trainer combo out there right now is the RTF Alpha trainer from Hangar 9. Check it out here: http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...475&pc=HAN2475

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yuour reall funny :stupid:

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I can vouch for the Alpha COMBO ... I've flown mine for about a month now with no real problems... Changed the glow plug, and after a small "misunderstanding" with the ground (see below), the prop....

1 piece of advice... GLUE THEM D@#* WINGS TOGETHER!!!

As stated above by botlerocketwar, I think my days as a car racer are numbered... My car stuff has less & less bench space every week.... :)

Good luck!!

Allen

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The Alpha trainer are nice and they are RTC. Another RTC if you want to jump in is the Hanger 9 Extra EZ 2. Please remember as a car guy, you will not be able to use your current Radio setup (unless you are on frequency 27 I think?). Also i learned that Air and car fuel are not the same (wanna buy a car? lol). Anyways, that all i got for pointers right now.

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Take the advice given so far.....Aircore planes tend to fly like bricks with wings... :D

Where in OH are you?

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No offense or anything dan, but do you spend al day on this forum!??? you have 843 posts at the time of my writing this, and you registered about the same time i did. i spend way too much time on this stupid thing as it is, and i have just over 300

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you have 552 post :stupid: you airlplane people sure are critical. I just asked a question, and more than one person has critisized me. I sure hope not all plane guys are like this

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I thank you if you have helped me out, and answered my questions

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i haven't even payed attention to how many posts i have, i just typed down what i rmemebered. I don't mean to critisize you. To put it simply, a trainer is a plane that trains you.

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I think this looks pretty good. IT might be the one. I know you dont build it, but maybe this would be best to start with

Hobbico SuperStar 40 Select RTF 60"

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i would reccomend a pt-40. it is a bit more expensive but for good reason. the older ones were bulky and didn't fly well. the newer ones though fly really well, aren't too mushy at low speeds, and still survive crash landings. i have ruined about 8 nosewheels on that plane, and there is no sign of fateauge. one time, i forgot to change models and i had a vtail going between the aileron and elevator. not pretty. i ruined another nowewheel in a belly landing on the runway, not a scratch. they are armored like a battle tank, but sure don't fly like one

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:D I just converted my PT-40 to a tail dragger. Man What a difference!!:D

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does the pt-40 only come in a kit? I kinda changed my mind about that part. I think for my first plane it should be an RTF or atleast an ARF

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Yes Dan, the Spuerstar is a really great plane. But, the Alpha takes a lot of hits, it's a balsa plane just like any other, but for some unknown reason, it doesnt break. The Superstar is pretty much like the Avistar, and I have two of those. The avistar and Superstars have a tendency to break the tail a lot I dunno why. Once, my engine shut off on the Avistar, and I tried to turn it (I was a beginner back then), and it hit the ground nose down at a full 90 degrees, and the tail broke :D.The Superstar is pretty much the Avistar, the difference is one more inch of wingspan, and the Superstar has more dihedral on the wings. Between those two, the Superstar is more of a trainer than the Avistar, many say the Avistar's a 2nd airplane. Anyways, I really recommend you the Alpha combo. Besides, it's a little cheaper, plus u get the .45 Evolution engine, great engine. And don't buy that "no break-in needed" crap, always give it it's two full tanks of break-in. Other than that, have fun with flying. Again, I recommend the Alpha :P
~Vik~

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it is an arf. rtfs are really expensive, and don't really help you learn the building skills you will undoubtedly face. arfs are great for starting to learn how these things work and how to fix them. arfs are like trainers for kits the way that trainers are trainers for harder planes.

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Spaceclam, you have a very good point right there. An ARF would be kinda better here. But I learned with an RTF, and since u learn to fly with an experienced pilot, he kinda goes teaching u hints when u acjust things on the plane and stuff like that. But ur second airplane will sure be an ARF and since u know how the airplane behaves in the air and the balance issues and stuff like that, it will ceartainly come out better than a first time ARF. Its just my way of seeing it, I would still go with the Alpha RTF.

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will you give me a link to it on tower? i can only find the kit!

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os makes some good engines. they make some not so good ones too. i had bad luck with their .46 la, and i have heard the same story from many. but i have heard good things about the .40. i would get the .46 fx or the .50 sx ringed. the .46 is cheaper, the .50 has 15% more power with about the same fuel consumption. The la's don't crank out as much power, but are cheaper. the fx se4ries has a fuel metering carb, the la doesn't. the la also has a plastic backplate. My second engine was a .;46 fx, and it was just a wonder. the instructions say you only need one tank of fuel to go through it because of the precision equipment they have. they are actually right. one tank, and it would not die when i gunned the engine (i did adjust the low end) and the needle setting only really changes the second, third, and fourth tanks. by the 5th tank, it is as broken in as it will ever be, and you can idle it down pretty low. the la took a long time to break in, and ultimatly vibrated it's own prop loose and ruined it. as about the radios, i would reccomend a computer radio. you will see why when you get your second plane, or put in 2 aileron servos, or have to mix. futaba makes a 6 channel one, it's good to start with. hitec also makes one, but i have never used it. by my third plane, i was hitting it's limitations though (i had a cap 232 which i fully loaded with gadgets and high performance parts so it required a better radio) so i sold it. for $50 difference, i bought a futaba 8u. they are incredible. they have every function you will need unless you get into battlebots or jets. because they stopped making them and started making the 9c about 6 months ago or so, you can probably buy it used for pretty cheap. mine was used, i bought it for $200 while they still made it. don't go too cheap in the beginning, it will become more expensive later.

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sprry abotu that i thought they had the arfs. they do in stock i am sure, but don't offer it in the combo. youi must have just read that becaue i deleted it abotu 2 mins ago when i discovered that.

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what makes this better than others?

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with a .46 fx, it can fly so slow i can run along side it. i have done that. that is about 13 mph.

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but cant you put that in any plane and do that?

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Dan, if u still wanna go for the Superstar, this is as good as it gets:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXK971&P=0
Click on the first of two money saving combos, thats the best price, plus u have a $15 gift certificate ;)

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is that absolutely everything I would need?

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it looks like it. Thanks for all the help!!

Im a heli guy right now, but I'm thinkin about this plane
 

Dan, for a different flavor check this trainer out. I dont think too many fliers start with this model tho. looks very good!


http://morrishobbies.com/reviews/wasp-review.html

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Dan, keep in mind that you'll still need field equipment on top of the combo that you purchase......but usually you can build this up slowly. I don't know how well you know your instructor, but I doubt if he'd have a problem letting you use his glow ignitor and electric starter, etc. until you got everything yourself.

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i would not reccomend that engine. flying was a miserable experiance or me with that one. the only thing that kept me going is i wanted to learn. i was progressing slowly until i got the fx, where i jsut soared. i was capable of flying solo in 3 months. after 3 months, my instructor wwas holding the button down all the time, but i was too cautious. finally, after 6 months, he let me go.

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what engine are you talking about?