Nemesis wheel hop?
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Question for all you Nemesis owners. I take my Nemesis out for a quick session today on the road, then I notice the front wheel seems to be out of balance or something. For a brief moment or two as the truck is getting up to speed the front tire/wheel starts bobbing up and down and almost looks like it's wobbling, then once up to speed it stops and runs like a scolded dog. Does anyone else seem to have this problem? I also done something a little bit different to the suspension and it took the handling to a whole new level. I know their is an extra hole in the arms that don't pass through, although they aren't really meant for the shock ends to go into, I went ahead and did it. It required me to purchase 8-5mm x 18mm hex screws to mount them up but other than that it works GREAT. Rather than rolling over in a turn it will slide on the asphalt, in the grass it really hooks well too, I did sacrifice the ride height, but the arms set right at level w/large spacers in to keep the ride stiff. The sus. travel is still there, but the handling works a whole lot better, you have got to really get scary stupid to roll it over now but you can carry more speed in the turning now. Compared to my LST, this thing could take it anytime at this point as far as bashing goes, if it weren't for the wheel axles, but I am sure now that on the track, if the handling still works this good, it should take my LST there as well. Oh yeah, this is still with stock 55's in place. I will adjust it once I put my 40's on there, but it runs around soooo much better. The platics seem to be pretty tough as well, I took my eyes off it for a few seconds, my son needed attention, the I heard a clap. There it was flailing through the air from clipping a tree. No harm no foul. Any who I hope somebody can help me with the wheel hop, also hope someone else can benefit from this minor adjustment to the suspension. Thanks--Jess
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the 23mm hexes i have dont fit snug against the 8mm axle, i can slide a sheet of notebook paper betwen them. right now i put a wrap of masking tape to snug them up so their is no play.
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There is some play in the Hexes. Although very little, but you can wiggle up and down and tell there is some give. I will have to try the masking tape on them and see where that gets me. Too, does anyone have fore and aft play in their hexes? Could all this play contribute to the axle failure?[&:]
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Here are some pics just taken, I am getting ready to try the tape and plus I am putting some new shoes in the LST to get it ready for it's next race. But as you can tell the LST stance is slightly wider than that of the Nemi. Just wanted to post these here to show where I mounted the shocks, plus I don't think I have ever posted these two together.
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i have fore and aft play but thats not from the hexes. the whole axle stub and dogbone move so on a landing the suspention can move freely. i believe thats normal and i checked the others i have and they all move a little.
i was thinking the same thing on the extra hole, since the nemisis didnt have the dimention x shock system like the genisis i was going to try to see if it would work.
i was thinking the same thing on the extra hole, since the nemisis didnt have the dimention x shock system like the genisis i was going to try to see if it would work.
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IMHO it works great as I stated earlier, I can't see ever reverting back to the stock position only out maybe on the shock tower. The handling does improve on turning. Hope you like it as well. Yeah I have to agree after looking at my other trucks the fore and aft is present, I just hope I took care of the wobble/hop. If not I guess I will play around with the wheels and move the one to a different location and see if it still hops. If so then I know its in that wheel. If it still hops in the same local after changing then I will know for sure its the hexes. Let you guys know.
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bash-em-up, since i moved the shocks to the other holes like you, the steering rod dosent hit the shocks and turns much easier(good fix). the only thing now is the suspension travel is less and bottoms out. i added the extra spacers for the shocks and it works better, i think if i add 35wt oil to the shocks it will be even better.
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Jombo--Yeah it does help out the steering, but the suspension travel is still there it just lowers the CG by bringing the arms up level or near level. If your bottoms out, try a spacer on the shock rod ontop of the white one CEN has in place. This will limit how far down the shocks can travel. If you go with a heavier weight oil it will make the sus. stiffer thus make the truck more unstable in fough situations, and that IMO won't be too much fun in a yard or rhythm sections on the track. But I am glad to hear some one else does like it and finds it beneficial.
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Another thing I just thought of, I am not sure how well the plastic shock bodies will handle the heavier weight either, I do know if I go heavy in my stock Savage shocks it does cause leaking and failure in the end. So use caution when experimenting. I moved the out further to the ends of the arms simply because I noticed that my Savage's shocks are located more towards the end of the arms, and too truggies tend to be this way as well. Some also tend to move the the shock on the towers toward the inner holes which in essence does the same as moving out on the arm, I know it's not exactly the same but the essence is. But messing/running out on the street I have noticed that it runs better and handles better, in the yard and local BMX track it seems to be better, but only a clock will tell when on a track whether or not I do better with this truck vs my LST. Good luck though and let me know how it all goes for you and what you decided to do.
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thanks for the tip on the shock oil, i'll try a lighter oil just in the front, like a 30wt for less roll and maybe a 20wt in the rear to give it flexibility to slide . at this point in time if i drop it at 2 ft it seems to go all the way down, remember i dont have the sniper tires on so its already lower by1/2 inch more than yours.
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here is the shock absorber for the head, its 1 inch thick foam sanding pad. its very dense and the heat should not melt it since the head side is the sanded part. i put a match to it and it just put a black mark to it, well time will tell if it works.
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Let me know how it works, but I don't think you'll have to worry to much about the foam although the zip ties are the weak point here. I think if it does flip at speed and slides enough the ties will pop off then it will be skidding on the head again. I think the PVC idea is something to look into, maybe cutting a piece of pipe that can slide over and leave a ring on the top and a ring on the bottom to ziptie to the the lower head with cutouts to allow cooling still. Its too hard to explain, I'll draw up a diagram and post it that would be easier.
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Something I observed from my Run at the Silver State A-Main run, was that the one of the two speed adjustment screws loosened up. (Which gave me a wheel hop or clatter at times...) When one of the screws back out, one half of the two speed wants to engauge while the other half sits. This is the possible noise that your hearing...
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Thanks Mike, I will look into this as I have been experiencing problems with the two speed. It is only really noticable when off throttle then back on again so this does make sense.
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From: ARIZONA CITY,
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Hi Bash-m-up i'm looking at picking up the new cen nemesis 7.7 just want to know how you like it and how well does it really perform.Thanks in advance for the info.
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well i had first hand experience today with the truck flipping and landing on the head and the pad worked great, no head damage. but when going through mud and water well its a sponge, need i say more? but it worked like it was supose to. i will be making them for all my trucks now. and the ties all stayed on.there are 6 ties holding it and they compress the sponge abit so the ties arent actually exposed to damage.
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If it acts like a sponge, that would be even better heat transfer properties for the cooling head, considering that you'd have evaporation carrying some of the heat away (like how spritzing water on yourself can help cool you down in the summer). Great idea, I might try something similar on my truck.



