purchased off ebay years ago as a Curare' and have done nothing with it,Plans that came with it look to say PICES ll

Hi,

It seems someone before You have tried to make it into a taildragger? Is it not mounting blocks for main landing gear in forward part of wing?
And as far as I can see there is still holes for retractable main landing gear in the wing?

My first thought when I saw it: Ivan Kristensen Saturn. Originally it was all balsa and construction article in Model Airplane News October 1975. But it was also kitted with fiberglass fuselage and foam wings by a company Skyglass.

Compare 3 Saturn on trentonrcflyers.com here http://www.trentonrcflyers.com/pattern/patterns2.htm

I see for example the fin and rudder upper part seems not to be like on a Saturn and that speak against Your plane is a Saturn.
Maybe a Saturn SE?
Or a Jim Kirkland Nutcracker (very rare)?

I suggest You post more pictures of the fuselage, wing and stab from different angles, that will help to be able toidentify it with morecertainty.

On the other hand if the plans say "PICES ll" I suppose that is what it is (but I have never heard of a pattern plane with that name).


Let's see what other people will suggest it is.

/Bo

Not very Curare looking, can we get a good side shot of the body?

When those not familiar with classics wind up with a model or see pictures, 9 times out of 10 they will say it's a Curare. Basically if it is a classic pattern model it's got to be a Curare as there are only 2 or 3 designs... If you know what I mean...

David

here are some side shots

It's not a Saturn. Nose and wing look more Nutcracker but the vertical stab is raked back like earlier pattern designs.

Hi,

What is the geen material that the wing is covered with? Is it some plastic material?
That must be a clue who manufactured it.
Take some photos of the drawing You saycame with the plane.
It is not a Saturn in my opinion when I see the fuselage now.
It has some traces of Mach 1 in the fuselage as well as Phoenix but it is none of these planes in my opinion.

If it is possible, place the fuselage on the wing and slide in the stab in the fuselage and
take a good photo so we can see the whole model mounted.

/Bo

I am going to say it's a plane from the early 70's to 75. After that, the fuselages started getting deeper and the vertical stabilizer larger for a better knife edge manuever. The wings look like they were manufactured by the same company that did the T2A with the fiberglass wing skin.
I think you're right about the mix between a Saturn and Phoenix. But other than that, I don't recognize it either.

Frank

Looks like a Chuck Shade designed American Pie. Very Phoenix-like.

Right Tony - Close to a 7, had to look twice.

Vince

7 or Vertigo but the wing doesn't match. No diamond on the tail for a Vertigo but might work for a P7. Leave this one blank. Phil

Definitely not a P-7 or vertigo. no chin, blended canopy/no shoulder lines, and tail is all wrong for either. The wing doesn't match either.

will post some assembled pics laterbut was able to read the designed and drawn by Dave Hale in the title box today if that is any clue ang title still appears to be
PICES ll but is written in fancy script so not sure about the I could be an O or an A

Vertical stab rake-back in early (Taurus era) planes was about 30-45 degrees, and added a significant up-elevator component to assist in spin maneuvers, since CG's were forward of later designs. Think of the rudder at 90 degrees to get the idea. In the late 70's/early 80's, a bit of rake angle (10-15 degrees) was used to compensate for the "pitch to belly" in knife edge. Much less than needed for the earlier spin stuff. This places your model square in the 1975-82 age range.


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Adjusting the image i'm getting PISCES II

It's mentionsd as SPA legal design 65-75 [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9921223/anchors_9922133/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#9922133]CLICK HERE FOR LINK[/link]

thanks I could not see the the first s the designer matches also anyone have the aam mag that makes any mention of this?

<span style="font-size: x-small"><span style="font-family: Arial">PISCES / RC SPORT PATTERN PG 37 77-3 SEPT 1973 AAM

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