Hi. Does anyone know where to get a kit or plans for a good class II(rudder,elevator,throttle) airplane for vintage pattern. It would have to be designed before 1974. Thanks, Jim

How about the Aristo Cat. I think it was a mid '60s design and Midwest made a kit of it. I remember my Dad built one and flew the heck out of it. I've got a set of plans of it somewhere.

FB

Spot on FB - Bud Atkinson's Aristo-Cat published MAN May 1964.

Ray

One of the Goldberg Falcons is available in a kit. Can’t member is it is the 40 or 60 size.

The Falcons are available in all 3 sizes!! .049, 40, and 60.
You can get them from Early R/C Models. http://www.earlyrcmodels.com/id15.html
Goldberg still sells the Falcon 56, but it is a MKIII version. Very different from the original.

What about Midwest kits. I remember they were quite popular back then. Did they have a 60 size stick at that time?

DM

Come to think of it, wasn't the Goldberg Skylark built without ailerons? I have no idea since I never had the chance to get my hands on an original MKI version.

DM

Ray, you never cease to amaze me!

FB

Yes it was.

See the AMA plans list and Flying Models magazine for a number of Class II airplanes available. FM has Marty Meyer's "Skyliner" plans available along with his "Genie" (Class I) which could be converted to Class II. RCM also has some Class II airplanes also. Jackie Gardner's "Penetrator" (Class I) was also flown as a Class II airplane.

Best Class II design I know - II Perfection by Bill Thomas. US Nats winner, published RCM November 1967.

Also goes well when scaled down 20% in size. Second shot is me sometime last century with my Webra 40 powered 48" span version. Used as a practice model or when the wind was too strong for the big one.

Ray

How about a Sky Squire. Going to test mine this week. Plans from Bill Northrup and parts cut by Top Notch.

Sid R

How about a Sky Squire. Going to test mine this week. Plans from Bill Northrup and parts cut by Top Notch.

Sid R

A couple of designs mentioned in an earlier post - Marty Meyer's Sky-Liner and Jackie Gardener's Penetrator.

Still prefer the II Perfection !

Ray

I like the size of the nose wheel on the Penetrator; and it appears as if the nose gear is mounted forward of the firewall.

Tom

Tom,

It's done like this - rather unusual.

Ray

Thanks Ray. I bet that would withstand my 'carrier landings.'

Tom

Class I airplanes have a larger nose wheel and swept back strut to help cushion the landing. Without an elevator to raise the nose for the landing flare, it must be accomplished with the addition of a small amount of power at just the right time to raise the nose for the landing. Without the short burst of power, the airplane makes a hard arrival. Most Class II airplanes do not require this method.

Thanks for the input. The II Perfection looks like the one. I flew against Bill Thomas a few times years ago. Now I need to try and find the plans. Jim

Yes, that’s how I learned to fly but my nose wheel was standard size. Believe it or not you could make great landings without an elevator.

Dick Allen's Stark Shark has won every VRCS Class II meet he's entered in Florida and NY, to my memory. Dick designed it in the 60's and at age 75+ he can still out-fly many a younger man.

I scratch built and competed with an Aristo Cat earlier this decade, very good flying design though I would agree the II Perfection is probably the most developed contest model ever designed for Class II.

My 'Cat had an OS 40SF, if I build another I would look for a bit more power...maybe a K&B 61 or OS 60FP.

Jeide - II Perfection plan from [link]http://www.rcmmagazine.com/store/store-plans-catalog-tem.html?item=plansl-327&sid=0001T58tFI1KdGgbck9b922[/link]

This is Dick Allen with his Stark Shark considered by Art Schroeder to be "the best rudder/elevator model ever"

If you do opt for the II Perfection the secret of success is to build it with a light wing. This is true for all models of course but especially so for the Perfection. I base this advice on having built at least half a dozen of them for myself and other people. One used an obechi veneered/glassed foam wing and flew like a pig. The best had a built up wing covered with 1/16" contest grade balsa. The contrast in flight between them was amazing.

Ray

Hi Ray.Thanks. I will build it light. My Daddy Rabbit built from the original plans is 5.2 LBS ready to fly. Jim

There's also the Mac Seventeen by D.B. McDonald and Lloyd Sager. I can scan the plans if you want a copy.

David

edited to add designer

Or perhaps Gene Rogers' Lucky II. You're spoilt for choice Jim !

Ray

Cool, I really like the Lucky II.

Here are the Mac Seventeen plans.

David