Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
10-18-2009, 07:53 AM
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Everyone know's this is an ARF. Is there an issue ?
Vince
Everyone know's this is an ARF. Is there an issue ?
Vince
As far as this being the ARF thread....Post #33 shows what?
Post #86 also shows the ARF? Also states another Phoenix is being built....
Just a bit confused with "More pictures" as to what I'm looking at.
Dave
10-23-2009, 03:55 PM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
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and bet this will sell like crazy,
and bet this will sell like crazy,
The time is fast approaching when WE need to put our money where our mouths are! I know of several different cases where manufacturers have developed exactly what WE asked for, only to be stuck with a lot of unsold inventory.
I really hope they sell well. I am leaning towards buying one myself, and hope I am able to do it. The plane simply looks great and will be fun to fly.
Maybe we will finally see some SPA-type events here in the Northwest!
10-23-2009, 10:05 PM
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Maybe we will finally see some SPA-type events here in the Northwest!
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and bet this will sell like crazy,
and bet this will sell like crazy,
10-23-2009, 10:43 PM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
Mike M,
I'm curious. Back when us old guys were flying these types of airplanes we didn't have the luxury of computer radios or even servo reversing switches for that matter.
What mixes, if any, are you using with this airplane to compensate for any coupling issues, and, are you surprised at just how good these airplanes can fly/present given the capabilities of our modern RC systems.
Thanks again for injecting a large dose of enthusiasm to us old pattern fossils.
Bob
I'm curious. Back when us old guys were flying these types of airplanes we didn't have the luxury of computer radios or even servo reversing switches for that matter.
What mixes, if any, are you using with this airplane to compensate for any coupling issues, and, are you surprised at just how good these airplanes can fly/present given the capabilities of our modern RC systems.
Thanks again for injecting a large dose of enthusiasm to us old pattern fossils.
Bob
10-24-2009, 10:05 AM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
I'm curious. Back when us old guys were flying these types of airplanes we didn't have the luxury of computer radios or even servo reversing switches for that matter.
What mixes, if any, are you using with this airplane to compensate for any coupling issues, and, are you surprised at just how good these airplanes can fly/present given the capabilities of our modern RC systems.
Thanks again for injecting a large dose of enthusiasm to us old pattern fossils.
Bob
Without mix etc. you had to FLY and hope some trucker with a 1000 watt CP kicker didn't blow you out of the air. Like most modern conveniences, the computer radios of today are taken for granted. Back in the 27 meg days I remember how lucky I felt when my radio link with the aircraft was good enough to bring my pattern plane home in one piece.
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What mixes, if any, are you using with this airplane to compensate for any coupling issues, and, are you surprised at just how good these airplanes can fly/present given the capabilities of our modern RC systems.
Thanks again for injecting a large dose of enthusiasm to us old pattern fossils.
Bob
Without mix etc. you had to FLY and hope some trucker with a 1000 watt CP kicker didn't blow you out of the air. Like most modern conveniences, the computer radios of today are taken for granted. Back in the 27 meg days I remember how lucky I felt when my radio link with the aircraft was good enough to bring my pattern plane home in one piece.
Frank Baity
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10-24-2009, 11:43 AM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
Frank,
I remember those days well. When the six 72mhz frequencies came along we were home free!
If our airplanes had any coupling issues we just "flew" the airplane accordingly to mitigate them. On top of this, what we considered top of the line servos then were a far different animal than the servos available to us today.
I guess what I'm excited about is the opportunity to once again fly these types of airplanes with the radios and technology that, as you said, we take for granted today.
Thanks again to Mike for the chance to fly a P7 again. Can't wait.
Bob
I remember those days well. When the six 72mhz frequencies came along we were home free!
If our airplanes had any coupling issues we just "flew" the airplane accordingly to mitigate them. On top of this, what we considered top of the line servos then were a far different animal than the servos available to us today.
I guess what I'm excited about is the opportunity to once again fly these types of airplanes with the radios and technology that, as you said, we take for granted today.
Thanks again to Mike for the chance to fly a P7 again. Can't wait.
Bob
10-24-2009, 01:44 PM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
Mike M., just thinking aloud here... will there be separate replacement components available (fuse, stab, etc.) for sale (as per current practice)?
10-24-2009, 03:29 PM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
The P7 actually flies very true. Back in the day if there were any roll coupling we'd cut the center of the wing and change dihedral till it was dialed, or just live with it.
Just checked my tx (12X) that I'm flying the P7 with. As luck would have it, now we can mix out coupling, the model has no roll couple. I have 0 mix for roll. I do have a few percent of elevator to rudder. Not much, just a few percent to get it perfect.
As for replacement part availability, absolutely. It'll be treated same as all other ARFs.
Just checked my tx (12X) that I'm flying the P7 with. As luck would have it, now we can mix out coupling, the model has no roll couple. I have 0 mix for roll. I do have a few percent of elevator to rudder. Not much, just a few percent to get it perfect.
As for replacement part availability, absolutely. It'll be treated same as all other ARFs.
10-26-2009, 07:23 AM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
Scoop! NEW E-Flite electric retracts...use for the Phoenix 7 ARF?
I visited the Chicago Hobby Show over the weekend (10/24 & 10/25) and found a number of items of interest.
E-Flite electric retracts...The photo below shows a set of the new E-Flite .15 - .20 size retracts. The units are powered by the receiver battery and feature a nifty fail-safe...if the gear are hung up or stalled for greater than 2.5 seconds they return to the down position (asuming they stall on the way up). The current draw is minimal even in "full stall" and will be $89.95 for the 3-gear set of the small set. The tr-gear set for .40 - .60 size will about $189.95.
I have an original Bridi Tweety Bird NIB, an original K&B .19 NIB that is just screaming for retracts...the E-Flite retracts!
4-Site...no it is not a classic, it is a comment on the reality of global manufacturing. The 4 Site is a teeny tiny "plug and fly" model that is fully 3-D capable (precision is implied) and will be $109.95 with a little battery. For less than $199.95 you will get the charger and the airplane and a few extra goodies...freak'n incredible. The model is goofy cool with a tiny foam lattice to make the fuselage strong.
My boys Chip (7) and Tom (5) went with me to the show...Tom wanted to just take the 4-Site and the little Sukhoi home.
Futaba users can purchase a Spectrum module for their 8, 10 12 and 14MZ transmitters from Futaba or Spectrum.
Rusty Dose
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I visited the Chicago Hobby Show over the weekend (10/24 & 10/25) and found a number of items of interest.
E-Flite electric retracts...The photo below shows a set of the new E-Flite .15 - .20 size retracts. The units are powered by the receiver battery and feature a nifty fail-safe...if the gear are hung up or stalled for greater than 2.5 seconds they return to the down position (asuming they stall on the way up). The current draw is minimal even in "full stall" and will be $89.95 for the 3-gear set of the small set. The tr-gear set for .40 - .60 size will about $189.95.
I have an original Bridi Tweety Bird NIB, an original K&B .19 NIB that is just screaming for retracts...the E-Flite retracts!
4-Site...no it is not a classic, it is a comment on the reality of global manufacturing. The 4 Site is a teeny tiny "plug and fly" model that is fully 3-D capable (precision is implied) and will be $109.95 with a little battery. For less than $199.95 you will get the charger and the airplane and a few extra goodies...freak'n incredible. The model is goofy cool with a tiny foam lattice to make the fuselage strong.
My boys Chip (7) and Tom (5) went with me to the show...Tom wanted to just take the 4-Site and the little Sukhoi home.
Futaba users can purchase a Spectrum module for their 8, 10 12 and 14MZ transmitters from Futaba or Spectrum.
Rusty Dose
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10-26-2009, 10:24 AM
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Hi Rusty,
Glad you liked the new stuff at the show. I think the new electric retracts may be perfect for models like the Phoenix.
Sorry I didnt make it to the show, I was in Asia till mid last week and didnt feel real energized to be at a show right after the trip. I hear the show went well though.
Things looked good for Phoenix 7 production while I was at the factory though.
Glad you liked the new stuff at the show. I think the new electric retracts may be perfect for models like the Phoenix.
Sorry I didnt make it to the show, I was in Asia till mid last week and didnt feel real energized to be at a show right after the trip. I hear the show went well though.
Things looked good for Phoenix 7 production while I was at the factory though.
10-26-2009, 11:38 AM
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Scoop! Price speculation and a funny (funny to me) story sorta related.
Phoenix 7 price speculation...price discovery, the amount of money someone will actually pay for something NOW versus the value it could/should sell. I have reviewed the price points of the various offerings by Hangar (the building not the item used for clothing) 9 offerings and have come to the conclusion that the $279.95 to $299.95 like their P-51...is my best GUESS for the ARF.
Story about the Horizon tiny RTF electric models...why the boys REALLY wanted to take them home...
My boys, Chip and Tom, have a huge interest in anything that flies, particularly little electric models that are tiny. Like many of you, I fly indoor models...in the winter. A couple of winters ago we were flying at a private hangar. I bring a few models for Dad and a few Air Hog toys like the "hell-opter" (their pronunciation) and sometimes a little twin. See photo of Chip, then (5) flying the "Hell-opter".
Dad is flying something and I normally look for Chip and Tom out of the corner of my eye to see what they are doing...it is a hangar...how much trouble could they be getting into? I see out of the corner of my eye...that Chip is holding a transmitter in his hand, following something in the air...and laughing...? I look again and although he is on the other side of the hangar, it is NOT the Air Hog transmitter...CHIP WHAT ARE YOU FLYING?? Chip was flying one of the little Cessna tiny electrics from Horizon that he talked a couple of (12) year old boys into let him fly. He managed to fly it around for a few minutes until it hit the wall (undamaged).
This is either a story about the little planes ability to take abuse, is easy to fly, Chip's skills as a communicator, my poor parenting skills or ? Be warned...if you meet Chip or Tom at a flying meet, they WILL ask you to let them fly your airplane...you might assume as many do that well...they are Rusty's boys...they do seem to be very familiar with the stuff...maybe they CAN be trusted with (?).
The photo shows Chip at E-Fest on Friday's set-up day a few years ago. He spent the morning watching the Pro's hand launch their models. He then dazzled us all by hand launching his little helicopter...it was pretty cool...he tossed out in front of him at full power and like a boomerang it would come back to him every time in a controlled hover!
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Phoenix 7 price speculation...price discovery, the amount of money someone will actually pay for something NOW versus the value it could/should sell. I have reviewed the price points of the various offerings by Hangar (the building not the item used for clothing) 9 offerings and have come to the conclusion that the $279.95 to $299.95 like their P-51...is my best GUESS for the ARF.
Story about the Horizon tiny RTF electric models...why the boys REALLY wanted to take them home...
My boys, Chip and Tom, have a huge interest in anything that flies, particularly little electric models that are tiny. Like many of you, I fly indoor models...in the winter. A couple of winters ago we were flying at a private hangar. I bring a few models for Dad and a few Air Hog toys like the "hell-opter" (their pronunciation) and sometimes a little twin. See photo of Chip, then (5) flying the "Hell-opter".
Dad is flying something and I normally look for Chip and Tom out of the corner of my eye to see what they are doing...it is a hangar...how much trouble could they be getting into? I see out of the corner of my eye...that Chip is holding a transmitter in his hand, following something in the air...and laughing...? I look again and although he is on the other side of the hangar, it is NOT the Air Hog transmitter...CHIP WHAT ARE YOU FLYING?? Chip was flying one of the little Cessna tiny electrics from Horizon that he talked a couple of (12) year old boys into let him fly. He managed to fly it around for a few minutes until it hit the wall (undamaged).
This is either a story about the little planes ability to take abuse, is easy to fly, Chip's skills as a communicator, my poor parenting skills or ? Be warned...if you meet Chip or Tom at a flying meet, they WILL ask you to let them fly your airplane...you might assume as many do that well...they are Rusty's boys...they do seem to be very familiar with the stuff...maybe they CAN be trusted with (?).
The photo shows Chip at E-Fest on Friday's set-up day a few years ago. He spent the morning watching the Pro's hand launch their models. He then dazzled us all by hand launching his little helicopter...it was pretty cool...he tossed out in front of him at full power and like a boomerang it would come back to him every time in a controlled hover!
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
10-26-2009, 03:07 PM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
ORIGINAL: BERUSTY
Scoop! Price speculation and a funny (funny to me) story sorta related.
Phoenix 7 price speculation...price discovery, the amount of money someone will actually pay for something NOW versus the value it could/should sell. I have reviewed the price points of the various offerings by Hangar (the building not the item used for clothing) 9 offerings and have come to the conclusion that the $279.95 to $299.95 like their P-51...is my best GUESS for the ARF.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Scoop! Price speculation and a funny (funny to me) story sorta related.
Phoenix 7 price speculation...price discovery, the amount of money someone will actually pay for something NOW versus the value it could/should sell. I have reviewed the price points of the various offerings by Hangar (the building not the item used for clothing) 9 offerings and have come to the conclusion that the $279.95 to $299.95 like their P-51...is my best GUESS for the ARF.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
10-26-2009, 06:00 PM
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RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!
ORIGINAL: 8178
But this one is going to built in the US so we should be willing to pay a bit more right? See here http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9140937
ORIGINAL: BERUSTY
Scoop! Price speculation and a funny (funny to me) story sorta related.
Phoenix 7 price speculation...price discovery, the amount of money someone will actually pay for something NOW versus the value it could/should sell. I have reviewed the price points of the various offerings by Hangar (the building not the item used for clothing) 9 offerings and have come to the conclusion that the $279.95 to $299.95 like their P-51...is my best GUESS for the ARF.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Scoop! Price speculation and a funny (funny to me) story sorta related.
Phoenix 7 price speculation...price discovery, the amount of money someone will actually pay for something NOW versus the value it could/should sell. I have reviewed the price points of the various offerings by Hangar (the building not the item used for clothing) 9 offerings and have come to the conclusion that the $279.95 to $299.95 like their P-51...is my best GUESS for the ARF.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Dave