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AMA-SFA Turnaround Pattern
What is AMA-SFA Turnaround Pattern???
Brian |
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The SFA was the
Sport Flyers Association, Inc. Like the AMA it also provided insurance coverage in the 80’s/90’s |
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I still have my Sport Flyers card. 1992? 93? :eek:
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Was the SFA and FAI turnaround pattern similar? All I have heard about until a recent post elswhere was AMA-FAI...
Brian |
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As i recall, SFA was just an insurance company, they didn't promote competition flying.
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SFA or SPA?
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ORIGINAL: flywilly SFA or SPA? AMA-SFA What has me confused is a post (on my other thread relating to the Bridi XLT, Escape, and Great Escape) from RCM magazine stating the Great Escape was designed for AMA-SFA Turnaround Pattern, the Escape was designed for AMA-FAI Turnaround Patter, abd the XLT was designed by Bridi for both. If AMA and SFA are both insurance companies (essentialy), Why would you have a AMA-SFA? I'm lost here... It sounds as though the AMA-SFA were competitiors. I understand the AMA-FAI. Secondly, I don't understand why an airplane would be designed for AMA-SFA Turnaround Pattern opposed to AMA-FAI Turnaround Pattern, unless SFA was a seperate entity from FAI competition. But... SFA is only an insurance. I do not understand. I am confused. Brian |
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They aren't insurance companies, Brian.
AMA is the sole sanction for competition relating to competition in the USA for model aviation represented through the NAA, which is the official aviation sanction as the US Aero Club of the USA for all national and international competition and records to the FAI. SFA was an alternative to the AMA and had their own competition rules, but were not the official US sanction to the FAI for competition or records, international or national. Even so, they both did have their own Pattern sequences. These must have been different enough to make Joe Bridi draw up and market three different ships! Chris... |
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ORIGINAL: stuntflyr They aren't insurance companies, Brian. AMA is the sole sanction for competition relating to competition in the USA for model aviation represented through the NAA, which is the official aviation sanction as the US Aero Club of the USA for all national and international competition and records to the FAI. SFA was an alternative to the AMA and had their own competition rules, but were not the official US sanction to the FAI for competition or records, international or national. Even so, they both did have their own Pattern sequences. These must have been different enough to make Joe Bridi draw up and market three different ships! Chris... THAT makes a lot more sence. Thank you sir! Brian |
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I need to come back to this later... sorry for taking an extra post here...
Brian |
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Hi Brian,
I think they are all three both historically and aesthetically true Classic designs. Being trike gear, 61 two stroke designs make them a lock-in for me. Chris... |
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The Sport Flyers Association (SFA) was an insurance organization only. They did not sanction competition flying in any way. Using their name in reference to competition is a mistake - period. It did not happen.
All of this discussion about which competition rules set that Joe may have used to design his models is jujst more marketing hype. Ed Cregger |
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Yeah, I was having a bit of trouble with why a Sport Flying Association would even have pattern competition rules...given that sport flyers, by definition, don't do competitions...
Evan, WB #12. |
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I was wondering if the SFA might have had some of its own pattern contests. The AMA wouldn't allow a SFA member( or any other non -AMA member) to fly at one of its santioned AMA events. You had to be an AMA member to fly in the AMA contest trail. SFA could have tried its own Pattern event. Was anyone a SFA member? I know that RCM sure was pushing the SFA and had 6 or 8 pages of SFA News in their magazine. I guess I can try to find an old RCM magazine, but I sure can't remember.
turbo |
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ORIGINAL: turbo.gst I was wondering if the SFA might have had some of its own pattern contests. The AMA wouldn't allow a SFA member( or any other non -AMA member) to fly at one of its santioned AMA events. You had to be an AMA member to fly in the AMA contest trail. SFA could have tried its own Pattern event. Was anyone a SFA member? I know that RCM sure was pushing the SFA and had 6 or 8 pages of SFA News in their magazine. I guess I can try to find an old RCM magazine, but I sure can't remember. turbo A major selling point of the SFA was not supporting the competition flyers' activities with the sport flying memberships' dues money. SFA was ANTI-COMPETITION. There were no competition events ever santioned by the SFA. It ran counter to their "ism". Ed Cregger |
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Wasn't the SFA promoted by RCM magazine called "Sports Flyers of America" Looked to me at the time to be just a commercial insurance company set up to capture some of AMA's business. I think the "brains" behind it was someone called Al Zlogar. Anyway, whatever it's purpose, it didn't last long despite lots of pushing in RCM. Not their finest hour [:o]
There was also something called "United States Aeromodelers" mentioned in some magazines as an AMA alternative but again short lived. Ray |
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This is the add that caused my question... This has been really interesting. It sounds as though whoever put the add together had no clue what theywere really saying. This must be a situation where the editing process was mistakenly looked over... or it was purposely confusing to create something out of the SFA that didn't exist... at least yet.
Wierd. Brian |
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ORIGINAL: Ilikebipes This is the add that caused my question... This has been really interesting. It sounds as though whoever put the add together had no clue what theywere really saying. This must be a situation where the editing process was mistakenly looked over... or it was purposely confusing to create something out of the SFA that didn't exist... at least yet. Wierd. Brian I was SFA #NM2K. I would never have joined the SFA, but my club dropped the AMA and went strictly SFA, even after my months of campaigning to the contrary. I was among two or three other active competitors in those days and it just galled the hell out of some members that their dues money, sent to the AMA, was supporting our competition efforts, although miniscule they were. So, I just kept my AMA membership and sent $20 to the SFA. In the grand scheme of things, it didn't hurt a bit. I did like being able to use my ham callsign as my SFA number. Ed Cregger |
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Wow. A person looks at this and can't help but shake their head.
Thank you everyone for helping me understand this whole mess, and clear up the ambiguity. Brian |
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Double Wooow! I originally posted that Bridi ad in the other thread and sounds like I opened up a can of sour grapes. Not my intention. I scour the pages of the RCM magazines I have and was amazed to find this interesting ad. I guess this a case of the chicken and the egg e.g. the ad says the Great Escape was Designed for SFA which is why I posted the ad in the first place. Anyone know if this is true or not. Inew about AMA FAI turnaroundand Pre turnaroundPattern but had no Idea what AMA-SFA was. From the ad it appears that Bridi was marketing a plane to SFA in case it took off. From reading this thread it sounds as if the whole SFA thing was a huge flop. I have to agree with Brian as I've been completely flabbergasted by this interestering ad. Bryan </p> |
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Bryan
I am glad you posted it. This makes for interesting history... and a good story! Brian |
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As often happens, the marketing department probably figured it would try to appeal to members of the "other" group. I strongly doubt that Joe designed any of those models for what that ad says. Frankly, at that stage of his career, he probably designed them to increase his retirement comfort...
But... that doesn't take away from their cool lines! The fuse designs strike me as somewhat unnecessarily complex - after all, they are still basic box designs, it really is all about the planform. The Deception still strikes me as the simplest and easiest to build "box like" classic fuse. David. |
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Something also not mentioned, the "turnaround" part. Back then each manuver exited the box and you turned around and did the next one. the turn was unscored. I think
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This is not correct, it wouldn't be "turn around" then it would be AMA pattern. FAI started flying "in the box" and then AMA made a class called "Expert Turn Around" which only lasted a few years until the AMA pattern went to turn around for all classes. Lower classes were allows to exit the box twice then re-enter.
Tim |
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Actually, AMA phased in the turnaround concept. In the mid-80's only FAI was turnaround - AMA was still the single maneuver per pass. From 1984-86 AMA allowed one to enter the standard AMA class as well as the FAI (turnaround) class. I had several years when I could fly two classes per contest (I flew Masters and FAI). That was fun! You got to fly twice as much as those in the other classes. Eventually, turnaround style maneuvers were put into the lower classes.
Jeff |
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