Help Identifying pattern model
 

Hey all you Pattern experts. I'm trying to sell a plane for a friend. When he bought the model, he was told it is a Curare; so we've always though of it as and called it a Curare. I'm trying to sell on eBay, and the first questions was, "Are you sure that's a Curare?". I went to a web site that lists 100's of classic pattern planes with photos, and I didn't see a single model that looks exactly like what I have. Please take a look and see if you can positively identify this plane.

Major characteristics:
1. Upright engine mount.
2. tricycle landing gear,
3. small dorsal exhaust exit aft of canopy
4. no whachamacallit over the rudder (no non-moving part)
5. all glass fuse
6. slightly swept wing (trailing edge is not straight)
7. anhedral in horizontal stab
8. Fuselage length 53.5in. Wingspan 64.5in

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Isnt this up on the bay right now?

FB

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Yes, I am the seller, and I need to get the name of the model right. After putting on eBay, I found it's not a Curare

Tom

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How about Atlanta 60?
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10..._5/key_/tm.htmsee post#122. Looks pretty similar.

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Definitely not an Atlanta.

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Looks like a Skynight 6 by skyglass

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Pretty close Jetmech, but I don't think it's a skynight 6. Not from the pics I've been able to find of a skynight. Thanks for the input though. Hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this eventually.

Tom

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Hi,

Does it appear to be a kit or could it be a one time build only?

/Bo

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OH NO, Say it isn't so ! ! ! ! !......................[X(]

Someone has finally stumped the guys on this thread when it comes to identifying a pattern plane. It's the first time in all the years I've been in this thread..........LOL

Where is Ray (RFJ) when you need him ? ? ? ? ? ?:D

David

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Would you please supply the item number on auction ?

Thanks,

Crank

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Hi Crankpin,
item # 300592998985

Bem,
Don't know. It's a fiberglass fuse, sooooo... *shrug*

I've had one response to my e-mail braodcast where one "pattern expert" says it is "unquestionably a Curare". I have not been able to find a single photo of a Curare that looks anything like this model. Is it possible there are other versions of the Curare and no photos of them on the internet?

Tom

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Tom,

forget about it, you won't find any Curare pictures that look anything like your model. Often, people unfamiliar with classics see there is an anhedral stab, a tuned pipe and retracts and automatically say it's a Curare - probably because they don't know any other classic pattern models.

I could probably run off at least 10 different aspects of your model after looking at the pics for 10 seconds that don't conform with Hanno's design - it's not a Curare.

What it is I'm not sure but I strongly suspect it is an American or English design and original kit - unless it is a one off done by someone which is unlikely if it has a glass fuse. The swept back wing is a key aspect of the design as is that canopy which has a high point much further back than the vast majority of classics during the late 70's and 80's. I have the feeling it is a mid-70's design given the shape of the vertical and the upright engine configuration but the concealed pipe under the fuse dates it a little later. It is also possible that it was an earlier vintage kit which was built many years later with a few variations on the original design concept (e.g., the concealed pipe).

BTW, to answer you last question, yes, there is a larger sibling to the Curare called the Super Curare but it is very similar in design to the original - there are only few pictures of SC's on the net.

David.

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No. This is definately not a Curare. Curare is, er, ugly. It does look like an MK kit of some sort. It appears to be around the Beetle/Aurora era, the anhedral tailplane may be a 'builders mod'.
Evan, WB #12.

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It is a Galaxy. The design is Italian... the designer escapes me. How about it Bem, RFJ, Doxilia, Anyone???

Pattern image base photo of the galaxy:

[link]http://www.trentonrcflyers.com/pattern/galaxy-avi.jpg[/link]

Do I win the airplane for figuring it out??? :)

Brian

Beautiful airplane btw.... It is a shame to get rid of it. The new owner ought be one happy duck!

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Hi,

It is close but some differences that speaks against it is a Galaxy.
Se image below.

1. Underside of the nose on the Galaxy more rounded, "unknown" plane has a more pronounced arch (similar to a Curare).

2.Small balsa fill where aileron ends at wing root direction on Galaxy, not on unknown plane.

3. Fillet on the fuselage at wing root is more pronounced and strech longer towards leading edge direction on unknown plane then on Galaxy.

4. Above rudder a small piece stretch from fin on Galaxy, not of seen on unknown plane.

5. Canopy slope little more steep on Galaxy then on unknown plane in my opinion.

/Bo

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It's a mongrel.

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Do You mean it is a plane made by Mongrel Modelsor is the name of the plane Mongrel?
Or do You mean it is a mix of at least two models? (mongrel = *******, hybrid)

Edit: Funny - I wrote b a s t a r d (without spaces) and it was shown as4 stars.

/Bo

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mongrel as in two or more breeds of dog, origins unknown.

In australia we generally call that a 'bitza', you know, bitza (bits of) this, and some bitza that.

hehe b a s t a r d only contains 4 characters? My teachers always told me I couldn't count, :D

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Mmm...

if it wasn't for the tail plane - particularly the vertical (because the stab and wing planform could have been builders mods), I'd almost start wondering if it isn't a Deception sibling - an Exception. Or, it's other progeny (Double Vision, etc.). My pic database is down so I can't check. I think it has a fuse top front which is similar to the Exception but the rear is nothing like it.

Is the vertical built into the glass fuse?

David.

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Hey guys,
Ilikebipes... your guess and linked photo was very exciting. It is very close to a Galaxy. After looking up the Galaxy online, I noticed another difference. Supposedly, the Galaxy has a 56.5in wingspan while this model has a 65.5in wingspan. They look SO similar, that I thought perhaps the same person designed both. I looked up the designer etc, but couldn't find any other relevant information.

And I'd looove to keep it; pattern planes have always been my fav sinc eI was a kid. Butt it belongs to a buddy... and I'm guessing it's worth more than I can part with. :( Aaaaand... if I kept it, I'd have to learn more and become a better pilot and possibly enter into pattern competitions and travel... and on and on LOL

I'm trying to get some better photos. I'm charging my battery on a better camera. The pics on here were taken with my phone. Looks like we're getting down to the tiniest details.


Tom

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:D

I still like my answer the best... Hehe.

Brian

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The Galaxy is a Ruggiero Pasqualini design - ex Italian F3A champion.

Very nice model and kit by the way - just have to look up the other threads in the forum.

But it is not a Galaxy either. That vertical... there's something to it. It strikes me as the feature to use for reference. Unfortunately I'm not old enough... I'm just a kid :D We need someone who didn't go to primary school in the 70's.

David.

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Here's a new photo
Tom

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Damn it's close to a galaxi but unfortunately, no cigar.

Here's some pics of a recently re created galaxi kit. You'll notice the canopy/hatch lines are different and your fuselage has more of a belly aft of the wing, whereas the galaxi is flat at the wing TE.

http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/u...22/Ge96726.jpg

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The sweep in the wing is different too.

Could it be a modified Galaxy?

Brian

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This kind of reminds me of the fun I had when looking for a different looking pattern model in the Seventies and Eighties. My favorite source for such models back then was Hobby Barn. They always came up with sufficiently good flying "knock-offs". They and another outfit or two, whose names elude me at the moment. A good friend of mine used to religiously buy Curare variants from Hobby Barn. They flew nice too, as well as presenting well on the flight line.


Ed Cregger

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Doxilia, Yes sir... the fin is part of the fiberglass fuse.

Alright, I've been looking more closely at this model, and it's never been setup to fly. Oddly, the builder has an airline running into the vertical fin for some reason? Any idea why? And the nose gear is another thing I'm not familiar with. It's beam mount (horizontal) with dual air-up/air down air cylinders to either side of the strut and what seems like a 3rd dummy cylinder in the middle? They're all molded into the plastic frame. I guess this setup keeps the frame as short as possible to fit into tight spaces. What's the age of this style gear?

Tom

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Your description of the nosegear sounds like you have a set of D&B retracts.

Jeff

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My thoughts were that it was a Patricia? The addition of the anhedral was a common mod back in the day. It certainly has potential anyhow!

hook

http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/u...74/Qo39043.jpg

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Again... the Patricia is very close, but not identical. And when pulling parts from a mold, everything would be the same. I notice the wing fillets are different, the fin, the wingspan, the wing sweep, no anhedral in the horizontal stab, and so on. The wings could most easily be changed, but the wing fillets and such would be out of the question.

Well, I've canceled the auction until I can find out what model this is. I talked today to the hobby shop owner who sold this model to my friend. He sold it on consignment for a soldier from Fort Campbell. He said the guy was from California, and now there's virtually no chance of tracking him down. Man... this one is a toughie.

Is the list of pattern models on the Trenton site all inclusive? I mean, are all SPA legal pattern models listed there?

Tom

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No.
Evan, WB #12.

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sweet looking plane! there's nothing like vintage pattern planes

where does the exhaust exit, i cant tell from pic?

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The main gear is classic Rhom air’s with Kraft wheels. The hot setup from this period. The nose gear as you describe it is not Rhom. The Rhom tanks had two air lines. Are you sure the air line going to the vertical isn’t just the second tank line that flipped to the back of the fues? Is the control valve a square aluminum manifold looking thing? Like to get some pics of the innards..

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Originally for RE motor

How about a hint?

West coast manufacturer.

Black logo of a bird of prey.

April of this year one also sold on e-bay NIB.

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Pitstop... whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis? LOL

Edh... yep.. the mains are definitely Rhom Air. I'm familiar with those. I'm attaching more pics. I haven't had the air tank out and I can't reach back far enough to tell if there's another nipple on the back side. I have a good shot of the nose gear, so you can confirm your guess from my description. And, as you can see... the one airline goes all the way back into the vertical fin. And it's pretty well stuck in there. I haven't tugged on it very hard not knowing if it's supposed to be up there for some reason. From what you tell me, I'll bet it was meant to go on the back of the air tank. As you can see, there isn't an air control valve or filler or anything else. As I said before, this plane was never setup to fly.

Tom

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Nose gear is a B&D retract.

Lol, Ha ha Arnold these were basically ARF’s, prepainted with one piece wing from the factory.

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Air line into the vertical fin is meant for the receiver antennae...

Old Dawg

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Pitstop -What were ARFs? This model that we're trying to identify? Do you know what it is???

Tom

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Pattnut.... OF Course! Why didn't I think of that? Way too simple.

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Dont' give up on me guys. I'm still trying to figure this out. HELP!!!

Tom