MAGIC 60
 

NEED A LITTLE INPUT. CURRENTLY ON EBAY, THERE IS A MAGIC 60 UP FOR AUCTION. IT IS PRODUCE FROM A COMPANY IN GERMAY CALLED "ROGMODELL". CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME HISTORY ON THIS COMPANY ESPECIALLY THEIR PRODUCTS. APPRECIATE ALL INPUTS
THANKS, STEVEN

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i had one in 1983... it was the very best at this time.... perfect balsa sheeted foam wing, fiberglass fuse with no gel coat, the nose cowl was abs made, and kind of crappy.... it s a ready to build aircraft, you ll have to prepare all the installation of the accessories, like retracts, engine, servo trays....
but the airplane was among the best in flight, could fly very slow comparing to the curare, better for rolls, and not tricky at all, althought it was very fast....
a bit of work, but what is done is well done, exept the nose cowl...

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oh!! i forgot... you ll have to build a special header, "s" shaped, because the engine is inverted and the tuned pipe is on the top of the airplane... you ll have also to make 6 or seven holes in the clear canopy to improve the cooling of the engine...
don t believe people who says that the real name of the plane was "tragic"..... it is the ultimate classic pattern... even if it is a little bit complicated than the others...

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I think the Tragic moniker was attached to a US made clone kit of the Magic.
Chris...

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appreciate the replys. As for the header, I have one - thanks again

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If you look at the pictures in ebay, under "pattern" you'll see a picture of the contents, especially the "white" ABS. Is this what you were referring to as "crappy"? What was so crappy about it?

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I remember the kit very well. I was flying the Magic's in pattern at the time and ran across one of these ROGMODELL kits. Compared to the other kits available, it was junk. The ABS cowl looked beyond terrible but absolutely gross. The epoxy glass fuselage was not straight and had numerous dips and bulges in it. And they were cheap back then.

I passed then and I'm not interested in this one today. There are better kits available.

Frank

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the abs was crappy as abs is usually when used as a cowl... it is falling apart very quick... there was a fiberglass replacement, sold at the same time for $50 !
there was dips and bulges on the fuselage, but it was straight and light... it has not been a long work to make it perfect...
The kit was VERY expensive back then!!! about $300 in 1983!!!
the kit was approved by hanno himself, thats why he was pictured on the box.... and, probably, why the kit was so expensive...

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better kits available? sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are in 2012, now!!!!
and a today corvette is far better than a 1965 jaguar type "e"!!!!!!
but classic means classy!!!!

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Hi
I'm second to what was written above.
One of my best plane I ever had in the past. Fast (Rossi 61 RE) , stable, although if you pushed it to the end of the flight envelope
it could be tackle you because it wasn't so forgiven in the very end of flight envelope.
I wish I had a picture of it when I was young.... :(.
I had the same kit of the Magic, and as I remember the wings quality was good, but the fuselage quality was poor, and it had to be
a lot of filler, for example, for the finish.
It is far far below the standard we are using and can see today, the fiberglass fuselage work was not so good!

Hope I helped you and enjoy with it.
Avi

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Hi
I'm second to what was written above.
One of my best plane I ever had in the past. Fast (Rossi 61 RE) , stable, although if you pushed it to the end of the flight envelope
it could be tackle you because it wasn't so forgiven in the top end point of flight envelope.
I wish I had a picture of it when I was young.... :(.
I had the same kit of the Magic, and as I remember the wings quality was good, but the fuselage quality was poor, and it had to be
a lot of filler, for example, for the finish.
It is far far below the standard we are using and can see today, the fiberglass fuselage work was not so good!

Hope I helped you and enjoy with it.
Avi

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I think after reading the replys and especially after carefully looking at the photo on ebay, you can see this big depression at the forward left side of the fuse, I'm backing off this one. You will always have thosethat will swear by them and those that will find numerous faults and rightly so. Being a pattern flyer for the last 35+ years, there's nothing worst than a bad fiberglass fuse, to start with. Check out this picture</p>

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Hey Auggie
Following to my last post and your last one, I can see and remember the poor fiberglass fuse.
But!!! in the right price it is worth it. very much worth it!!
You will have a lot of work on the fuse. with heat gun and filler to get it in shape
but again, in the right price it is worth it.

Avi

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Auggie

Have you seen the kits I make?

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The question becomes, due I want to take the time, spend the money and probably invent some swear words that have not come across this planet earth - answer, a big "NOPE". I've worked with these type of fuse in my younger years and even then, they were a pain in the butt. I guess I was just hoping the wind would blow right in my direction and snatch up one of these fine pattern beauties. MK kits are out there but far and few and when they do come across the table, you pay for it - and you should, its an "MK" kit. I'm looking foward to getting together with Don of "frequentFlyer" and taking my Arrow fuse for him to mold. I spoke with him about two weeks ago and had no ideal how he has preserve these great planes. I told him when he is ready to let me know and I'll bring the Arrow fuse to him -also, I'll need to bring plenty of money as he has informed me of whats in his inventory - @#$%, here I go again.

Steven

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sold for $650..... not bad!!!!!

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Way too much!!!!

I wish it was produced again because it is in my one of top choices of buying along with the EU1A, and the Italian Rogero pasqualini Galaxy.

BR
Avi

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TOTALLY AGREE - WAY TO MUCH

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You can bet someone is trying to think of away to get rid of it and get back the money they spent on it. Way over priced for a poor product.

Frank

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An XKE is ALWAYS better than a Corvette!

But hey, was this model straight and true as far as incidences, etc?
I thought it was a US clone of the Magic that was crappy, had negative wing incidence?

Chris...

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The Roegamodel kit of the Magic 60 was officially licensed by Hanno Prettner. In my eyes the quality is absolutely ok for that aera.
Hanno once told that the fuselage was little bit soft against twisting during knife edge, compared to the wood built up fuselages. But besides that it was a good kit of his ultimate "all the bells and whistles design pattern plane". That´s the reason I like it for.

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You can get a brand new Magic,curare,super curare,arrow arrow800 glass fuse,foam cores,instructions, from Quality Line KIts,.the original manufacturer of these kits. you can order one from Hobby Barn,520 747 3633. I am currently putting together a super curare,with ys .60. this is not a rumor ,just laid up brand new arrow,super curare todays lay up. I reccomend getting one while you can. Rob

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WHATS INCLUDED WITH THE KIT. i CAN'T FIND EITHER WEBSITE, HOBBY BARN OR QUALITY LINE KITS THAT SHOWS WHATS INCLUDED</p>

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short kits are glass fuse foam cores for wing and stab,drawing ,instructions this is a basic builders kit 250 plus shipping. web sight is down call me at the shop 5207473633, 10 to 6 weekdays . I also offer with wings sheeted,stab sheeted leading and trailing edges in place and shaped,plus wood parts,elevators, rudder,also we can ship set up for your motor,mount drilled,taped,firewalldrilled blind nutted and firewall installed,we sold many of these in the 80's and 90,swe had basic ,custom,custom deluxe, ..if you are interested in these kits,curare,super curare,arrow,magic,thunderbird,minare,40 size magic,we have new and old tooling,and are starting prodution again, lets talk pattern. call hobby barn ,ask for rob,and i will set you up with a very nice Quality Line Kit.

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p.s. also i have the custom header pipe for magic,,,,off topic ,how do you post pics here?

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Rob,

Nice offerings. I read some where that you will be offering other kits as well. When will those be available?

To post pics you will need to use or click the reply or quote buttons in the upper right corner of a post.

This will open up reply to message window with options to upload pics at the bottom of the text box.

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magic was nit the best flyer,curare,super curare were better,talk of thrust line to high,was genral concencus

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,thanks for info on pics yes we are working on re- releasing QUALITY LINE KITS. We have many offerings,such as curare ,super curare, arrow super arrow,magic,thunderbird   ,f86,saber jet,all from original molds,by the way our magic is legitimate,as royalty deal is in place with hanno,our magics are made with his consent,and aproval. all other kits?who knows.   QUALITY LINE KITS  are builders kits for modelers we do not offer a.r.f. but will sheet wings and set up fire wall for motor aplications, and retract instalation. for more info contact Rob at email [email protected] or call the shop at 520 747 3633,lets talk pattern!

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PLease send pictures to: [email protected]

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here are some pics, fresh super arrow and curare,

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pic of magic mold

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Personally, my experience is the magic is a nicer plane to fly than the curare. Dont ask me why as ive spent a long time trying to iron out my curares wrinkles. Even gone as far as far as using a curare wing on my magic (which still flew well proving to me the wing wasnt the issue). I suspect the higher horizontal stab position on the magic makes a difference.

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Rob, good looking glass work. Other kit providers are running strips of carbon fiber in strategic areas. The kits that I have purchased like that look very good.

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Are you offering just wing cores for the Curare?

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yes i will sell you a set of wing cores,,45 dollars plus shipping,,but basic kit for curarefuse,wing cores ,stab cores instructions,,for 150 dollars plus shipping. i will be happy to sellyou either one thanks, Rob,QUUALITY LINE KITS.

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That is a good price for the Curare. I am sure you will have a waiting list of customers. I flew the Magic back in the 80's and loved the way it tracked in the loops. With the pipe tucked into the fuselage, the plane was plenty fast. I also found the flaps really helped in the landings.

And dumping the exhaust out the bottom of the fuselage really did save cleaning up after flying. There was a question as to the effectiveness of the anhedrial in the stab. I never built one without the anhedrial so I can't attest to the effectiveness of it. I just know the plane tracked very good.

We really need some new rear exhuast engines and headers to go along with them. I am sure that until the pattern parts become
available again, the growth of the Classic Pattern will be slow. As for myself, I 'm going to use my OS Max .61 SF with without a pipe. I just need to decide which plane I want to use. It just may be the Curare.

Picco had a great rear exhaust 60 engine. It was really strong and had the inflight fuel mixture. It's a shame that they only make motors for cars now.

Frank

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Thanks, I have a brand new fuse that was bought way back by a local hobby shop owner, but the wings had been sheeted with ply and contact cement that came unglued.

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pics

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sexy looking plane ;)

is that a Kraft wheel on the front strut? :O I liked those, little heavy but GORGEOUS!

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yes is kraft streamline all around all the best from the 80's with a modern radio!